Ben, Frank, Gary F., List,

I can't say that I see the 4 methods of fixing belief closely linked to the
3 patterns of inference nor the 3 categories.

Best,

Gary R.


*Gary Richmond*
*Philosophy and Critical Thinking*
*Communication Studies*
*LaGuardia College of the City University of New York*


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Benjamin Udell <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Frank, Gary F., Gary R., list,
>
> When I said that the method of opinion came to seem to me to consist in
> authority trying to operate in a situation of the method of development of
> opinion (the _*a priori*_), I meant that it came to seem to be a
> composite method, a view that you suggest at one point in your post.
>
> At some point I was thinking of associating inference modes with the
> method, only I did it a little differently. But unlike with other things
> that I say below, I kept quiet at the time, because I had already discussed
> the three unscientific methods of inquiry at length.
>
> You associated abductive inference with tenacity; inductive inference with
> authority; and deductive inference with the _*a priori*_. I 'switched'
> the partners of the first two.
>
> **Inductive inference and the method of tenacity.** I saw the method of
> tenacity as involving a kind of misapplication of the method of learning
> (not necessarily cognitive inquiry) by practice and repetition, which is
> first of all a method of learning how to do things skillfully (practice
> makes perfect). One keeps repeating one's opinion, as if to do so were a
> gradual induction in support of it. But it's a willful induction indeed.
> The opinion itself may be generated by any means, as long as it is one's
> first opinion on the given subject, since to the extent that the opinion is
> not initial, the method is not a method of persistence, repetition, willful
> inertia.
>
> **Abductive inference and the method of authority/contest.** I had seen
> method of authority as a species or phase of a method of struggle or
> contest or vying, a phase such that one side becomes dominant. The method
> of contest involves a kind of misapplication of the learning method of
> trial and error (and variation), which is first of all a method of learning
> how to struggle and develop character. In this mis-application, one tries
> to impose one's opinion, as if to do so were an abductive inference
> producing it ("I'm right because I'm gonna win!") - an abductive inference
> is, after all, itself a  kind of experimental trial, testing a
> presupposition of one's capacity to guess; in the method of contest, the
> test really is of one's capacity to win, but the winner's opinion wins too
> on the view that _*might makes right*_. In the authoritarian phase, most
> have joined, or acquiesced to, the winning side. But the winner's might,
> even when not kinetically active, remains in place, holding others down.
> The 'might' may be any kind of what the anthropologists have called 'mana'
> - political and martial strength, wealth (funding etc.), glory and
> charisma, and status. The opinion itself may have originally been reached
> by whatever means.
>
> **Deductive inference and the method of _**a priori**_.** Before this
> thread, I thought of the method of _*a priori*_ as the method of
> contest/authority of glamour, charisma, etc., but now I think that at most
> they intersect. In the method of a priori, an opinion is adopted, not
> because it is the most popular or glamorous or hip opinion, but because it
> is indeed to one's taste. It is a kind of mis-application of the learning
> method of appreciation and emulation, better known as 'identification and
> imitation', which is first of all a method of learning to value and
> developing sensibiity. The opinion represents some values that one likes or
> admires, or is the opinion of some figure whose values one likes or
> admires, and adopts. It's not necessarily one's first opinion, instead it
> is, if anything, one's latest opinion (not necessrily one's last and final
> opinion), one's personal fad; this is the most hedonistic method, in which
> opinion is not a weapon or a means, but a culminal pleasure itself, in
> virtue of its content. That is, the method focuses on _*telos*_ as
> culmination and ignores entelechy. Still, the shift of the apriori-arrived
> opinion may be slow in time; and while it is personal, it is also social,
> insofar as it involves freely chosen self-herding and emulation not only of
> idealized models but of actual people. Peirce does discuss it in terms of
> the development of intellectual fashion and taste of the public, not just
> of the individual; and there may be fashion leaders and fashion followers.
> One selects the opinion from among the various opinions on offer at the
> buffet of the currents of thought. From its pleasantness and agreeability,
> one infers as if by deduction its truth; or more precisely one likes and
> expresses it as if the liking and expressing were a deduction, a necessary
> inference, compelled not by authority or tenacity but by the current of
> one's thought. It fits with one's other likings and is 'agreeable to
> reason.'
>
> Well, I gave it a try.
>
> Best, Ben
>  On 5/7/2014 1:01 AM, Frank Ransom wrote:
>
> Gary F., Gary R., Ben, List,
>
> Gary F, I'm basically leaning on Liszka's scholarship. In his book, he
> identifies the method of public opinion as a fifth method, positioned
> between the method of authority and the method of the a priori (which
> positioning Ben suggests as well). Having seen what you and Ben reference,
> I suppose Liszka might have been mistaken. Then again, I find myself
> agreeing with Ben that there seems to be something distinct about the
> method of public opinion. As Ben also supposes, the method of consensus
> might be a species of the method of the a priori. If the method of public
> opinion is really about consensus, as it seems to me to be, then perhaps
> Peirce replaced the method of public opinion or consensus with the method
> of the a priori because the method of the a priori incorporates public
> opinion or consensus while also covering other cases pertinent to the
> fermentation of ideas.
>
> Personally, I suppose I would consider the method of public opinion, or
> consensus, distinct from the method of the a priori, due mostly to the fact
> that I have always considered the method of the a priori to be
> characteristically a method pursued by a single mind like Plato, Descartes,
> or Kant, sifting through ideas and ending with what they are inclined to
> think must be the best answer to a given question or problem; while the
> method of public opinion strikes me as more a matter of coherence, not so
> much between ideas, but between the beliefs of the members of a community.
> Thinking on it like this, I'm inclined to view the method of public opinion
> as after, not before, the method of the a priori, since the method of
> science will, in facing reality, inevitably lead to a consensus in the
> community--the key difference between the method of public opinion and the
> method of science consisting in the difference between what the community
> is led to believe today versus what the community is destined to believe.
>
> But perhaps this makes the method of public opinion unduly overlap with
> the method of authority. I have to admit that placing the method of public
> opinion between the method of authority and the method of the a priori
> appears more reasonable in light of this, since it shares in both the
> community-orientation of the method of authority and the free play of ideas
> in the method of the a priori. I think Peirce is himself not altogether
> clear about how to properly characterize the method of public opinion,
> whether it is a sort of softer approach to the method of authority, or
> whether it is a kind of community approach to the comparing of ideas found
> in the method of the a priori.
>
> Then again, I have wondered about what makes the three non-scientific
> methods what they are, and I have something of an idea about them that I
> offer for consideration. If considered from the standpoint of inference and
> taking a hint from the division of the kinds of inference (which partially
> makes sense, since methodeutic follows upon the work of critical logic),
> the method of tenacity might be a strict adherence to one's abductions, the
> method of authority might rely on enforced inductions (that is, involving
> some rather brutal facts, pardon the wordplay), and the method of the a
> priori might rely mostly on deduction, a comparing of ideas with one
> another and their consistency or inconsistency with one another. This last
> would certainly engender the coherence theory of truth, as Gary F suggests
> the method of the a priori, considered as the method of consensus, would.
> As for the method of public opinion, and its gradual metamorphosis into the
> method of the a priori, I wonder whether it might originally have involved
> some combination of two of the kinds of inference without the third, but
> over time Peirce (probably not consciously) came to want to make each of
> the three non-scientific methods as distinct from one another as possible,
> leading to each one signifying a method primarily committed to one kind of
> inference over the other two; whereas the method of science will involve
> all three kinds working together. If my hypothesis has some truth to it,
> then it should be possible to consider three methods, distinct from the
> four identified in "The Fixation of Belief," that involve combinations of
> two kinds of inference while minimizing the third. But this would probably
> get a bit messy, as one would likely be inclined to see similarities
> between examples of these hybrid methods with the other, simpler methods
> and look to categorizing any given example of the hybrid methods as more or
> less falling into one of the simpler methods (tenacity, authority, a
> priori), or perhaps as a part of a larger example of the method of science.
>
> Whether this idea regarding the methods can be reconciled with Peirce's
> discussion of just what makes the method of science what it is--direct
> engagement with, and testing of, reality--I don't know. I suppose it can be
> objected that the fact that the method of science deals with reality and
> the idea that the method of science needs all three kinds of inference do
> not have a clear connection with another. Also, it can be argued that the
> other three methods really do use all three kinds of inference, or perhaps
> at least two (as one might imagine that the a priori method involves not
> only deduction but also abduction). Well, I admit that both objections are
> reasonable. But the latter objection is a little weak, as it involves a
> point about how to properly classify the methods, and I find that the
> proper classification is the one that would lead to more fruitful results,
> which I would maintain is associated more with my proposed approach (though
> admittedly further inquiry is needed to prove it so). As to the former
> objection, I have no way to meet it as of yet, but can only say that
> because no connection is immediately apparent is no real argument against
> there being such connection. So, I guess I'm just saying that there's room
> for further reflection on the suggestion of associating the most basic
> division of kinds of method with the reliance of a given kind of method
> upon one or more of the modes or kinds of inference.
>
> --Franklin
>
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