Dear Stan, Koichiro, list

You confuse two elementary issues, as far as I can see: 1) signs participating 
in our construction of sciences; 2) signs as the object of scientific study.
The example you refer to pertain to issue 1): we take temperature to be a 
representamen of thermodynamic conditions because we know temperature is a 
function of those conditions. The signs which all and every science is built 
from represent causal, formal and other connections in reality - but those 
connections , apart from science, are not in themselves semiotic of nature. 
What I refer to is issue 2): physics does not study signification processes 
which can be seen from the fact that such processes do not form part of the 
object of physics. The opposite is the case in biology where semiotic processes 
form part of the object of that science, from the lowest (genetic code) to the 
highest (animal communication) levels.

Of course, you may chose to redefine purely physical processes as "semiotic", 
thereby using the word in another sense. I think that by doing so, you 
generalize the notion of semiotics into insignificance, and, what is worse, 
make the project of semiotics seem overblown and irrelevant to a scientific 
worldview.

Best
F

Den 11/09/2014 kl. 03.09 skrev Koichiro Matsuno 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>:

At 11:24 PM 09/10/2014, Stan wrote:

So, then it would be appropriate to say that temperature is a representamen of 
thermodynamic conditions (heat energy) as well as a sign of the state of 
statistical mechanical conditions (particle dispersion).

   Yes, temperature in thermodynamics is general enough as leaving its 
numerical value unspecified because of the scheme’s under-completeness while it 
is concrete enough in determining the macrostate in statistical mechanics. 
Temperature is thus a mediator between something general and something 
particular. Semiosis may have its own birth in the chasm between thermodynamics 
and statistical mechanics, among others.

   Koichiro


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