Jon - you have missed my point. I said exactly the opposite of you when I said
that people must read Peirce for themselves and come to their own conclusions.
Instead, you have constantly, relentlessly, pointed out to me that I am quite
wrong in my own conclusions; that I have misread and misinterpreted Peirce and
that your readings are the accurate ones. That is, you have not allowed me that
right which you claim you do - to come to my own conclusions.
Actually, no, I must say that I haven't sharpened my thinking when interacting
with you; instead, I have been stunned by how you ignore various points I
raise, twist my words, nitpick semantics, inform me of my
failings-to-understand and of your correct views - such that it becomes an
exhausting dead-end. My deep failure is that I respond to you. And I'll respond
to your final comment because it is so really ..bizarre but is indicative of
the whole tone of our interaction. You wrote:
Jon: I am always happy to give her the last word when I have nothing further to
add.
Don't you see how patronizing, how sanctimonious and smug that statement is? I
know you don't - but, it's quite the 'put-down' to tell someone that their
further arguments, after yours, are essentially irrelevant.
OK - I declare that I won't engage further with you.
Edwina
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Alan Schmidt
To: Mike Bergman
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Metaphysics and Nothing (was Peirce's Cosmology)
Mike, List:
I can definitely understand how some would find these discussions "tiresome,"
but almost simultaneously with your negative response, I received a private
reply to the very same message from a "lurker" stating, "This is great, and
offlist - just wanted you to know that I enjoyed this post and enjoy your posts
in general." As Peirce said, "Different people have such wonderfully different
ways of thinking ..." (CP 6.462).
I do not understand why my appeals to the List community's good judgment
would bother you so much. They are really no different from when Edwina has
said (and I have agreed) that everyone must read Peirce for themselves and come
to their own conclusions. In any case, with all due respect, please do not try
to dictate how I participate in the List.
Finally, as I have said before, I sincerely appreciate Edwina for repeatedly
forcing me to sharpen my thinking and argumentation, and I hope that her
experience has been similar. I am always happy to give her the last word when
I have nothing further to add.
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Mike Bergman <m...@mkbergman.com> wrote:
I suppose if everyone comments on these constant arguments as being
"tiresome" maybe we are approaching a community consensus of what constitutes
the sign for "tiresome" in a Peircean sense. I find it interesting that Peirce
held the ethics of all of this as separate from the semiotic process.
If you would, and this is directed specifically to Jon, please cease from
my perspective this practice:
On 11/4/2016 9:50 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote:
Edwina, List:
I frankly find it amusing that you think I am "upset and angry" about any
of this. I am quite comfortable with my assessment here, and once again leave
it to the good judgment of the List community to separate the wheat from the
chaff.
These are arguments that you and Edwina choose to pursue ad infinitum.
Please cease in asking readers of this list to either be on your side or not.
My "good judgment" is to wish not to hear fruitless arguments pursued to
exhaustion, looking for the last word, and certainly not be asked to weigh in
(even in my own mind) on which tiresome argument holds sway.
Mike
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