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Le dim. 15 août 2021 à 12:18, robert marty <[email protected]> a écrit : > Dear John, > > I think that the text "*Modeling in Humanities: the case of Peirce's > Semiotics (Part A*)" that I just published answers your question. I > maintain that retaining a definition of the sign that does not incorporate > the internal determinations of the sign by the object and the interpreter > by the sign does not allow us to classify signs. But you can still try to > find a meaning to each of the 6 combinations of S, O, I by not using the > interdependence of the categories, which translates into the > phenomenological constraint according to which::* "It is evident that a > Possible can determine nothing but a Possible; it is equally so that a > Necessitant can be determined by nothing but a Necessitant.*" (EP2: 481). > This constraint is the only one that allows us to control the combinatory > explosion. > ... > Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy > fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty > *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* > > > > Le sam. 14 août 2021 à 18:45, Jon Awbrey <[email protected]> a écrit : > >> Cf: Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations • Discussion 10 >> >> https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/08/14/semiotics-semiosis-sign-relations-discussion-10/ >> >> Re: Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations • Discussion 8 >> >> https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/08/13/semiotics-semiosis-sign-relations-discussion-8/ >> >> Re: Category Theory >> >> https://categorytheory.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/233104-theory.3A-logic/topic/sign.20relations >> ::: Morgan Rogers >> >> https://categorytheory.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/233104-theory.3A-logic/topic/sign.20relations/near/249456735 >> >> <QUOTE MR:> Please clearly state at least one “distinctive quality of >> sign relations”. </QUOTE> >> >> Dear Morgan, >> >> Sign relations are triadic relations. >> >> Can any triadic relation be a sign relation? >> >> I don’t know. I have pursued the question myself whether any >> triadic relation could be used somehow or other in a context >> of communication, information, inquiry, learning, reasoning, >> and so on where concepts of signs and their meanings are >> commonly invoked — there’s the rub — it’s not about what >> a relation is “intrinsically” or “ontologically” at all >> but a question of “suitability for a particular purpose” >> as they say in all the standard disclaimers. >> >> What Peirce has done is to propose a definition intended to capture an >> intuitive, pre-theoretical, traditional concept of signs and their uses. >> To put it on familiar ground, it’s like Turing’s proposal of his namesake >> machine to capture the intuitive concept of computation. That is not a >> matter to be resolved by à priori dictates but by trying out candidate >> models in the intended applications. >> >> I gave you what I consider Peirce’s best definition of a “sign” >> in relational terms and I pointed out where it needs filling out >> to qualify as a proper mathematical definition, most pointedly in >> the further definitions of “correspondence” and “determination”. >> >> That is the current state of the inquiry as it stands at this site … >> >> Regards, >> >> Jon >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON >> PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to >> [email protected] . >> ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to >> [email protected] with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the >> message and nothing in the body. More at >> https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . >> ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; >> and co-managed by him and Ben Udell. >> >
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