Hi John My mortgage has also just shot up, taking my blood pressure up in sympathy......
There are trademarks and there are trademarks. Companie Francaise (i.e. French not Canadian) made some different varieties that look similar but are not all necessarily trademarks. "Trademark" was the model 5 with Clark Johnson soundbox. There is also the model 3 that looks very similar except for the motor casing at the rear that is not rounded like the trademark but begins parallel and kinks into a semi-circular curve - value is much less. CF also made the style 5 and 4 in Mahogany. Trademarks have a horizontal speed adjuster and 3's a vertical one. (style 4 is a larger case that encloses the motor which is fixed diagonally with the winder in a corner. There is an additional Trademark looking CF machine with a larger than standard spring housing that occasionally turns up. In its purest form the trademark should look the same as the machine in the painting. Later style 5's had a cannon style brake rather than the side brake (can it still be called a trademark with a different brake setup? Or with a Concert or Exibition! soundbox???) If it helps, send a photo offline regards Rob On 6/16/08, john robles <john9ten at pacbell.net> wrote: > > It has been suggested that this could be a Canadian model, and thus worth a > little less on the American market. It has a decal that says 'Cie Francaise > du Gramophone, Paris No 2137'. > > Norman Bruderhofer <phono-l at cylinder.de> wrote: Hey John, > I remember seeing a trademark at the Wayne show about four years ago. > It was very beautiful but had been restored with a significant > percentage of repro parts. The price was $1500 for that one. So, > $3500 can be quite reasonable for a fully original trademark. > Good luck! > Norman > > > At 04:34 15.06.2008, you wrote: > >Hi there > > This Berliner has a second decal on the other side that says 'Cie > > Francaise du gramophone No. 2172'. I can't see the Berliner decal > > very clearly (I have only seen photos so far) but when and if I go > > see it in person, I will make sure the decal is in English. This > > was the issue, I know that foreign made machines don't seem to do > > as well with American buyers. I will guage the screw threads to > > make sure they are not metric. I have had a repro of this type > > myself, and I know what to look for on that count. The horn is an > > obvious original horn, though perhaps not original to this model. > > The horn is nickel plated, with a bell joined to the body with a > > seam. The bell is a bit bent but pretty nice. The body has obvious > > spots when plating is mottled a bit. > > The hold down looks as if it is the tye with the hole all the way > > through, as it should be. I just want to be sure this machine is > > not a marriage of old and new. The motor housing looks as it > > should. The crank is not the flat bar type, it is more like an > > early Victor slip on crank with the slight offset in the winding arm. > > I will let you guys know what happens. > > Thanks! > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
