And if you want to be really pedantic, a TRUE Trade Mark must have the English Gramophone Co. Ltd. label on it, since Barraud used one of those in the painting His Masters Voice.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Plavzic" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner > Hi John > > My mortgage has also just shot up, taking my blood pressure up in > sympathy...... > > There are trademarks and there are trademarks. Companie Francaise (i.e. > French not Canadian) made some different varieties that look similar but > are > not all necessarily trademarks. "Trademark" was the model 5 with Clark > Johnson soundbox. There is also the model 3 that looks very similar except > for the motor casing at the rear that is not rounded like the trademark > but > begins parallel and kinks into a semi-circular curve - value is much less. > CF also made the style 5 and 4 in Mahogany. Trademarks have a horizontal > speed adjuster and 3's a vertical one. > (style 4 is a larger case that encloses the motor which is fixed > diagonally > with the winder in a corner. > > There is an additional Trademark looking CF machine with a larger than > standard spring housing that occasionally turns up. > > In its purest form the trademark should look the same as the machine in > the > painting. Later style 5's had a cannon style brake rather than the side > brake (can it still be called a trademark with a different brake setup? Or > with a Concert or Exibition! soundbox???) > > If it helps, send a photo offline > > regards > > Rob > > > > On 6/16/08, john robles <john9ten at pacbell.net> wrote: >> >> It has been suggested that this could be a Canadian model, and thus worth >> a >> little less on the American market. It has a decal that says 'Cie >> Francaise >> du Gramophone, Paris No 2137'. >> >> Norman Bruderhofer <phono-l at cylinder.de> wrote: Hey John, >> I remember seeing a trademark at the Wayne show about four years ago. >> It was very beautiful but had been restored with a significant >> percentage of repro parts. The price was $1500 for that one. So, >> $3500 can be quite reasonable for a fully original trademark. >> Good luck! >> Norman >> >> >> At 04:34 15.06.2008, you wrote: >> >Hi there >> > This Berliner has a second decal on the other side that says 'Cie >> > Francaise du gramophone No. 2172'. I can't see the Berliner decal >> > very clearly (I have only seen photos so far) but when and if I go >> > see it in person, I will make sure the decal is in English. This >> > was the issue, I know that foreign made machines don't seem to do >> > as well with American buyers. I will guage the screw threads to >> > make sure they are not metric. I have had a repro of this type >> > myself, and I know what to look for on that count. The horn is an >> > obvious original horn, though perhaps not original to this model. >> > The horn is nickel plated, with a bell joined to the body with a >> > seam. The bell is a bit bent but pretty nice. The body has obvious >> > spots when plating is mottled a bit. >> > The hold down looks as if it is the tye with the hole all the way >> > through, as it should be. I just want to be sure this machine is >> > not a marriage of old and new. The motor housing looks as it >> > should. The crank is not the flat bar type, it is more like an >> > early Victor slip on crank with the slight offset in the winding arm. >> > I will let you guys know what happens. >> > Thanks! >> > John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
