Hello Looks all correct - the nickled horn is as one usually finds on european machines. The 2 different transfers make it additionally interesting!
And to be pedantically pedantic Mr Glastris, the Maiden Lane address rather than the later one in City Road. ;-) On 6/18/08, john robles <john9ten at pacbell.net> wrote: > > Very true. Well, I haven't heard from the seller now for three days, so I > think he found another buyer. Here are pics. > http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Berliner/ > > George Glastris <glastris at comcast.net> wrote: > And if you want to be really pedantic, a TRUE Trade Mark must have the > English Gramophone Co. Ltd. label on it, since Barraud used one of those in > the painting His Masters Voice. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Plavzic" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner > > > > Hi John > > > > My mortgage has also just shot up, taking my blood pressure up in > > sympathy...... > > > > There are trademarks and there are trademarks. Companie Francaise (i.e. > > French not Canadian) made some different varieties that look similar but > > are > > not all necessarily trademarks. "Trademark" was the model 5 with Clark > > Johnson soundbox. There is also the model 3 that looks very similar > except > > for the motor casing at the rear that is not rounded like the trademark > > but > > begins parallel and kinks into a semi-circular curve - value is much > less. > > CF also made the style 5 and 4 in Mahogany. Trademarks have a horizontal > > speed adjuster and 3's a vertical one. > > (style 4 is a larger case that encloses the motor which is fixed > > diagonally > > with the winder in a corner. > > > > There is an additional Trademark looking CF machine with a larger than > > standard spring housing that occasionally turns up. > > > > In its purest form the trademark should look the same as the machine in > > the > > painting. Later style 5's had a cannon style brake rather than the side > > brake (can it still be called a trademark with a different brake setup? > Or > > with a Concert or Exibition! soundbox???) > > > > If it helps, send a photo offline > > > > regards > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > On 6/16/08, john robles wrote: > >> > >> It has been suggested that this could be a Canadian model, and thus > worth > >> a > >> little less on the American market. It has a decal that says 'Cie > >> Francaise > >> du Gramophone, Paris No 2137'. > >> > >> Norman Bruderhofer > wrote: Hey John, > >> I remember seeing a trademark at the Wayne show about four years ago. > >> It was very beautiful but had been restored with a significant > >> percentage of repro parts. The price was $1500 for that one. So, > >> $3500 can be quite reasonable for a fully original trademark. > >> Good luck! > >> Norman > >> > >> > >> At 04:34 15.06.2008, you wrote: > >> >Hi there > >> > This Berliner has a second decal on the other side that says 'Cie > >> > Francaise du gramophone No. 2172'. I can't see the Berliner decal > >> > very clearly (I have only seen photos so far) but when and if I go > >> > see it in person, I will make sure the decal is in English. This > >> > was the issue, I know that foreign made machines don't seem to do > >> > as well with American buyers. I will guage the screw threads to > >> > make sure they are not metric. I have had a repro of this type > >> > myself, and I know what to look for on that count. The horn is an > >> > obvious original horn, though perhaps not original to this model. > >> > The horn is nickel plated, with a bell joined to the body with a > >> > seam. The bell is a bit bent but pretty nice. The body has obvious > >> > spots when plating is mottled a bit. > >> > The hold down looks as if it is the tye with the hole all the way > >> > through, as it should be. I just want to be sure this machine is > >> > not a marriage of old and new. The motor housing looks as it > >> > should. The crank is not the flat bar type, it is more like an > >> > early Victor slip on crank with the slight offset in the winding arm. > >> > I will let you guys know what happens. > >> > Thanks! > >> > John > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
