I'm completely agree (my breath is fine, though :)


At 17:52 21/3/2001, Cynic wrote:
>Sascha & Zeev,
>May I please ask you to calm down a bit? Flamewars and insults
>won't help anyone.
>I think you both could use a few minutes to take your breath.
>At 16:38 21.3. 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote the following:
> >At 17:15 21/3/2001, Sascha Schumann wrote:
> >>> I definitely don't agree with this definitely.  A good thing about
> >>> opensource projects is that there aren't committees and thick rule books
> >>> that move and act at the speed of a dinosaur.  When it begins to look 
> that
> >>> way, you know you're in the wrong direction.
> >>
> >>    OpenSource does not mean careless committers and bug-riddled
> >>    software.  OpenSource software can excel in code quality and
> >>    stableness.
> >>
> >>    Your personal goal seems to differ from that target.  I think
> >>    that is a pity.
> >
> >Your argumentative tone is also a pity.
> >
> >As for the issue at hand, we differ greatly at the amount of importance 
> we attribute to considering rules as if they were God-given.  I care 
> about PHP's quality a lot, quite before you were even a contributor to 
> the project.  I'm not coming to downplay your caring, but I'm not sure 
> what makes you think you can downplay mine.
> >
> >The fact that you see what I say as if opensource software means 
> bug-riddled software or careless committers still doesn't mean that's 
> what I'm saying, and obviously (as I'm sure you know deep inside), it's 
> not.  That's just your binary way of looking at things, which is 
> thankfully not shared by most people.  I stand completely behind what I 
> said, but obviously not behind your summary of what I said.
> >
> >The bottom line is that, as I said, the trick in good opensource 
> software is taking calculated risks, and mixing agility with quality 
> assurance.  One can look through your binary glasses, and then it's 
> either complete lack of quality, or complete lack of risks, and one can 
> look with reasonable experienced eyes and strive to get to the right 
> mixture.  I, for one, don't enjoy looking through these binary glasses.
> >
> >Zeev
> >
> >
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>And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files
>were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files.
>     - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7

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