Hello, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > At 00:34 02/01/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: > >What you are saying is that when I make a suggestion people become > >emotional and work very hard to raise as much objections as they can > >instead of staying rational and try to see the benefits of the > >suggestion. > > It's about how you make the suggestions, Manuel. "vital to prevent PHP to > leak even > more users to other languages" is a pretty annoying sentence to read. In > case you're not sure what it means - it means that: > (a) PHP is 'leaking' lots of users today
True. I don't know how many, but I know it is happening. > (b) If we do it, it'll go on leaking as it does today False, if you do it you will give one less reason for users to drop PHP. > (c) If we don't - it'll leak even more True, that is for sure. Microsoft has been very successful despite many legal difficulties. Now that they are basically gone, this year will be probably a blast for them. A lot of people will be giving them even more credit than before. I am not blaming them. What I am saying is that PHP will be lagging way behind if it still does not catch up on the new really good features that Microsoft has been building into them. Microsoft is not all, Borland Delphi/Kylix has been going through the route of betting the farm on Web services that they even advertise it. Furthermore, they can build full applications and Apache server modules like Perl making Web applications running at full speed, which is a thing that PHP never provided. > If people indeed become emotional about suggestions you make (I certainly > don't) then you probably have earned it yourself. Even if that is true, one thing that you still not get it, is that two wrongs do not make it right. This means in practice that because I made the suggestions you work very hard to justify not accepting them or at least putting them in practice, even if the ones to benefit most from what I suggested are you and not me. Yeah, getting emotional makes you act against yourself. > At any rate - I did not contradict you. On the contrary, I said I think > it's important, even very important. I'm saying that the position you > usually take, which is kind-of like the biblical prophets telling everybody > they're wrong and what they must do to prevent hell from breaking loose, > isn't one that's going to earn you much interest in your ideas. You may > try the positive approach instead, especially if you're just pitching an > idea for somebody else to implement, with no intention of doing anything > about it yourself. > > You think that my behavior is so predictable, you didn't even appear to > read what I said. If it wasn't too transparent I'd be saying that it was > your response which was quite predictable - you always do that when people > don't cry in joy in the sound of your ideas... You are still not getting it, I don't have a problem when people do not accept my ideais. My problem only happens when arises when people invent forced excuses for not accepting my ideas or at least to not put them in practice. It is like Richard Heyes said very well, -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
