I think this sub-thread is a wonderful candidate for being taken offline. Zeev Suraski wrote:
> At 05:28 02/01/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: > >> > (b) If we do it, it'll go on leaking as it does today >> >> False, if you do it you will give one less reason for users to drop PHP. > > > That sentence MEANS that though. Maybe you weren't sure of what you > were saying, but saying "We have to do X in order to prevent even more > users from leaking" means that even if we do X, users will go on > leaking as they do now, and if we don't do X, they'll leak more. > > Again, I wasn't expecting you to answer me point by point on this and > tell me if you think it's right or not. As I said - "if it's the > truth - we don't want to hear it" - especially when people here don't > think it's the truth. Think positive. > >> You are still not getting it, I don't have a problem when people do not >> accept my ideais. My problem only happens when arises when people invent >> forced excuses for not accepting my ideas or at least to not put them in >> practice. > > > What excuses did I make up? What excuses did I even mention? > I said that the preachy way in which you presented your idea is not > going to get you anywhere, let alone PHP. You may have encouraged > someone to write a CORBA extension, and you definitely pissed off lots > of other developers. Is that good? Did it get you or PHP anywhere > better? > > I can assure you, by the way, that Andi didn't ask for out-of-the-blue > ideas from people who don't have any idea on how to do them, and have > no intention of doing anything about them themselves. How about a > wiseguy that will suggest to improve the speed of PHP 10 times > around? Great, we're all for it, but have a plan on how to do it, or > be willing to work on a plan if it's accepted. > >> It is like Richard Heyes said very well, while Andi asked for >> suggestions you promptly jumped in just to say it is pointless as if it >> was urgent to refuse my suggestion, or at least present an excuse for >> not implementing it. > > > I did not refuse your suggestion or present any excuses. That's only > in your preset mind. I said it's good, but I also said that you > presented it in a very, VERY poor way, as you tend to often do. > There's no conspiracy against you, I can assure you that, and if you > cause many different people to object to the way that you present your > ideas, you can assume that the problems lie in your hands, and not > everybody else's. > >> I hope you see this time is not "just Manuel". Things could have worked >> much better if you have to refused the countless times that I bothered >> to lend a hand, even if it was just presenting ideas and no code. Too >> bad that you usually only wanted to get me wrong as if what I was >> suggesting was not going to work in your favour. Anyway, it is not soon, >> but may be is not too late... > > > I never refused a single time you bothered to lend a hand - I don't > recall a single time (other than this vague virtual marketing idea > which I didn't consider too good). As far as I recall, you said that > Rasmus refused your help in the past, and I think I was the one that > actually pushed for you to get a CVS account. Not sure though, it was > a long time ago. At any rate, with all the differences I have with > Rasmus, and God know we have lots - if he refused to accept your help, > you must have done something TERRIBLY wrong. > > Zeev > > -- Darrell Brogdon http://darrell.brogdon.net 1024D/D7FB6981 3CB8 A14D 1662 8351 11F6 40C1 D205 2D97 D7FB 6981 -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
