At 05:28 02/01/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: > > (b) If we do it, it'll go on leaking as it does today > >False, if you do it you will give one less reason for users to drop PHP.
That sentence MEANS that though. Maybe you weren't sure of what you were saying, but saying "We have to do X in order to prevent even more users from leaking" means that even if we do X, users will go on leaking as they do now, and if we don't do X, they'll leak more. Again, I wasn't expecting you to answer me point by point on this and tell me if you think it's right or not. As I said - "if it's the truth - we don't want to hear it" - especially when people here don't think it's the truth. Think positive. >You are still not getting it, I don't have a problem when people do not >accept my ideais. My problem only happens when arises when people invent >forced excuses for not accepting my ideas or at least to not put them in >practice. What excuses did I make up? What excuses did I even mention? I said that the preachy way in which you presented your idea is not going to get you anywhere, let alone PHP. You may have encouraged someone to write a CORBA extension, and you definitely pissed off lots of other developers. Is that good? Did it get you or PHP anywhere better? I can assure you, by the way, that Andi didn't ask for out-of-the-blue ideas from people who don't have any idea on how to do them, and have no intention of doing anything about them themselves. How about a wiseguy that will suggest to improve the speed of PHP 10 times around? Great, we're all for it, but have a plan on how to do it, or be willing to work on a plan if it's accepted. >It is like Richard Heyes said very well, while Andi asked for >suggestions you promptly jumped in just to say it is pointless as if it >was urgent to refuse my suggestion, or at least present an excuse for >not implementing it. I did not refuse your suggestion or present any excuses. That's only in your preset mind. I said it's good, but I also said that you presented it in a very, VERY poor way, as you tend to often do. There's no conspiracy against you, I can assure you that, and if you cause many different people to object to the way that you present your ideas, you can assume that the problems lie in your hands, and not everybody else's. >I hope you see this time is not "just Manuel". Things could have worked >much better if you have to refused the countless times that I bothered >to lend a hand, even if it was just presenting ideas and no code. Too >bad that you usually only wanted to get me wrong as if what I was >suggesting was not going to work in your favour. Anyway, it is not soon, >but may be is not too late... I never refused a single time you bothered to lend a hand - I don't recall a single time (other than this vague virtual marketing idea which I didn't consider too good). As far as I recall, you said that Rasmus refused your help in the past, and I think I was the one that actually pushed for you to get a CVS account. Not sure though, it was a long time ago. At any rate, with all the differences I have with Rasmus, and God know we have lots - if he refused to accept your help, you must have done something TERRIBLY wrong. Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
