--- Zeev Suraski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 07:55 20/08/2002, Brad LaFountain wrote: > > You as a Zend owner who's business could be very propitable for Zend2 > > success > >or you as a php developer > > Brad, > > This is CLEARLY as PHP developers. We happen to have quite a bit of > experience in getting the userbase to convert from one version to another - > with PHP 3 and PHP 4. Most of the developers today were not involved with > PHP around the time this happened (not all, of course). I said numerous > times - having two major versions out there is a support nightmare we > managed to avoid by succeeding to move the userbase from one version to > another in a relatively short timeframe.
Ok this experience you are talking about is converting php3 => php4 correct? Well how many people are were using php3 at that time? Siginifntly less? The conversion from php3 to php4 offered a more stable faster scripting language all around with more extensions more webserver support builtin session support etc etc. The conversion from 3 to 4 was a really obvious one. Ok now php is installed on how many million servers? It doesn't matter how many features you offer php4 isn't going to go away. Its like saying that apache 1.3 is going to go away. So we are stuck with the 2 major versions with or without debug_backtrace. Now keeping debug_backtrace outta zend1 may cohearse a few people to move to zend2 but how many more people could benifit from it in zend1. The ammount of time arugment till zend2 is released should have some berring if debug_backtrace being included in zend1. Besides whos to say that adding debug_backtrace now to 4.3 won't steer more people to php instead of other envrionments. We still need a carrot for people to convert to php ingeneral not just convering our current userbase to zend2. I really see what you and andi are saying here but I feel (I could be wrong) that the debug_backtrace won't keep zend1 around any longer than it will already be. Me personally I won't upgrade my servers running zend1. I'll probally only install zend2 on a differenet installation or on new servers. Holding back stuff like this is extremly frustrating to me and many others. - Brad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
