Thank you for the explanation. The former problems, I can do nothing
about. When you reply in Notes, it does not quote anything (no indent or
'>' character on the old stuff). It just leaves it all as it was below a
header. I _could_ type this at the bottom, but by leaving it at the top,
at least the header separates it from the old message.
As to the second problem (the reply-to) problem, I can indeed refrain from
doing that. I'll bet that most people, like me, were totally unaware that
it creates a problem in the rare email client that does threading. (BTW:
what are some examples that do it?) I was just a little taken aback to
have someone ranting and threatening to 'blacklist' me and others for
something of which we were totally unaware.
Regards,
Darryl
"Kurtis D. Rader"
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> I wonder if you'd do us the courtesy of explaining this problem instead
> of 'blackholing' people who are completely unaware of any problem.
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> I have used quite a few email readers, outlook, incredimail, lotus notes
> etc and I guess none of them are threaded. I also participate in quite
> a few email lists, and NONE of them have mentioned any problem such as
> the one to which you allude.
I can tell from how your reply was formatted that you are a Lotus Notes
user. My sympathies. It's a fine groupware/collaboration product, but
the things it does to email can't be discussed in polite company. Note:
I work for IBM (which owns Lotus) and refuse to use it for email even
though it is our company mandated email client. Fortunately, as a
highly respected Linux support engineer within our company I can get
away with being a rebel and thereby retain my sanity by using a decent
email client: mutt.
One of the problems with Lotus Notes is that it does not include a
in-reply-to or references header. Thus making it impossible to properly
place your reply in a threaded display of the discussion topic. It
also mangles whitespace in the body of the message, the standard email
templates encourage people to "top post" (i.e., put their reply at the
top of the quoted material, encourages people to include the entire
original message rather than trimming it to just the portion being
responded to, etc.
But the problem Michael Nordstr�m alluded to is one that occurs
independent of the email client used by the sender. The problem is
that people will sometimes, while reading a message, have a thought
completely unrelated to the topic of discussion. But instead of creating
a new message, with a new subject, they simply reply to the message
they are reading. Arghh! I agree with Michael: it's too annoying for
words and incites thoughts of applying a clue-by-four (Americanism for
whacking someone with a piece of wood nominally two by four inches in
cross section).
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