On Thu, 2002-10-10 12:54:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thank you for the explanation.  The former problems, I can do nothing
> about.  

Actually there is. Use an email client that doesn't violate well
established rules. At IBM the Linux support and development engineers
have two email addresses for this reason. One is routed through the
Notes/Domino system and is used for "internal" email. The other bypasses
it. When interacting with the outside world, such as posting to the
"Linux Kernel Mailing List", you use the non-Notes address and an email
client that isn't brain-dead. When retrieving your paycheck (which
is encrypted using some proprietary Lotus scheme) you use your Notes
address and client. Simple :-) I make it even simpler by forwarding all
my email from the Notes address to my non-Notes address. Which means the
only time I have to deal with Notes is when I need to see my paycheck.

> As to the second problem (the reply-to) problem, I can indeed refrain
> from doing that.  I'll bet that most people, like me, were totally
> unaware that it creates a problem in the rare email client that does
> threading. (BTW: what are some examples that do it?)     I was just a
> little taken aback to have someone ranting and threatening to 'blacklist'
> me and others for something of which we were totally unaware.

Mutt, the email client I use, is just one example out of many. For
example, this discussion thread appears like the following block of
text to me. It isn't an exact representation (because plain text
can't replicate how mutt displays a thread) but conveys the sense
of the presentation. The left most number is the message number in
the folder. The lower-case 'r' means I replied to the message. The
question-mark means my email address does not appear in the "to:" or
"cc:" headers. The "F" means the message is from me. The asterisks in
the thread display indicate that mutt could not find a "in-reply-to" or
"references" header and is basing its decision to include the message
in the thread on the subject line. In other words, it is doing its best
to deal with a broken email system. The rest should be self explanatory.


  67   ? Oct 09 Michael Nordstr (1.2K) Mailing list etiquette
  68   ? Oct 09 Jason Day       (0.7K) |->
  69   ? Oct 09 Troy Eckhardt   (0.5K)   |->
  70   ? Oct 09 MJ Ray          (0.5K)     |->
  71   ? Oct 09 Troy Eckhardt   (0.8K)       |->
  72 r ? Oct 10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (3.2K) |*>
  73   F Oct 09 To plucker-list (2.2K)   |->
  74   ? Oct 10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (4.9K) |*>

It's cognitively jarring to be reading messages in a discussion thread
and suddenly find yourself dealing with a different topic. There are
good reasons why written material is organized in paragraphs, sections,
chapters, etc. The fact that modern email clients make it far too easy
to violate such conventions is why Michael Nordstr�m responded as he did.
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