| I wouldn't expect much for my AUD$4000 outside of the pain of having wasted | so much money.
Yes, like ATS should do some boards for me at that price. ____________ Brian Guralnick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ingram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY | Maybe it is time to consider what is really supplied with the Protel at | present. | | 1. A 'nice' schematic layout package | 2. A reasonable PCB package with a very quirky autorouter. | 3. Lots of idiosyncrasies thrown in for free. | 4. A poorly documented simulation package which only seems useful to | Academia, where there a few spare grads to waste some months in trying to | get a useful outcome. | 5. A pld package which few people use given that most chip suppliers have | their own low cost package. | 6. A toy 3D viewer with a library for which you can not add components. | 7. Maybe even a web quote toy. Pigs if I am going to send our business to | the guy who just happened to have the cheapest boards. A working affiliation | with a board shop takes time and money to develop in order to guarantee | clean runs. | | The only Support we use is supplied via this group. This is for two reasons, | the first being that the workarounds are generally more detailed & from | people who live with this beast in the real world and secondly because the | enquiry will benefit the many others who will follow the thread. | | At AUD$900+ every two years I am happy to upgrade as for a one man show it | is reasonable & affordable, even if we do have to wait for a few service | packs before it is actually usable as well. I'll even tolerate the | operational gotchas that still exist after many many years of complaints by | people on this group. | | Generally Prottle is reasonable value given that only a portion of the | box -full of stocking stuffers is actually of any real value, unfortunately | in this case it appears that the Company is basing it's facts on it's own | advertising material. worrisome... | | At AUD$4000 per year I can only laugh. Firstly it is out of our budget. | Secondly it is just plain straight piss poor value. I can only wonder at the | drugs that the marketroid is on that suggested this. After using this | product since the days of Autotrax and prior to the existence of Windows I | am in no doubt as to the likelihood of much changing on the software front. | I wouldn't expect much for my AUD$4000 outside of the pain of having wasted | so much money. | | If the shareholders consider this a good move to enhance the bottom line I | would suspect that a user revolt may have them looking even harder at their | bottom line. I can live with 99SE, question is, can they live without our | money... | | | I don't accept that the solution to this is to move to another product. We | have spent a hell of a lot of blood, sweat & tears over the years while | trying to turn out a living with this product. I believe the solution is to | fix the current problem & make very sure that Altium know exactly how the | userbase feels & what the likelihood is of them turning us into cash-cows. | | Cheers | | Don Ingram CID | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: 'Protel EDA Forum' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 11:18 AM | Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS | | | > Sent to Protel/Altium: | > | > ----------- | > Why the hell would we (pre Oct 1st 99SE users) want to buy ATS membership | if | > we get the same thing for free? Quoted from your web site: | > | > "Current Protel 99 SE Customers: All Protel 99 SE customers who have | > purchased prior to October 1st, 2001 will continue to receive technical | > support, libraries, and any new service packs and add-ons for Protel 99 SE | > as part of their license. ATS membership cannot be purchased on existing | > Protel 99 SE licenses." | > | > I assume from this that a new version of Protel is due for release soon | and | > support for 99SE will be dropped. | > | > Congratulations on another way of screwing the end user for all he's worth | > and ultimately reducing your market share. | > | > I for one will not be purchasing any new versions of Protel if I have to | pay | > ongoing fees for incomplete bug full software. Especially if you expect me | > to beta test new products for free. | > | > Please feel free to pass this email on to the money hungry dolts in your | > marketing department. | > | > PS: your autorouter is next to useless. | > ---------- | > | > (Rant mode=off) | > I feel better now. | > | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://email@example.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *