| I wouldn't expect much for my AUD$4000 outside of the pain of having wasted
| so much money.

Yes, like ATS should do some boards for me at that price.

____________
Brian Guralnick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Ingram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS - PIGS MIGHT FLY


| Maybe it is time to consider what is really supplied with the Protel at
| present.
| 
| 1. A 'nice' schematic layout package
| 2. A reasonable PCB package with a very quirky autorouter.
| 3. Lots of idiosyncrasies thrown in for free.
| 4. A poorly documented simulation package which only seems useful to
| Academia, where there a few spare grads to waste some months in trying to
| get a useful outcome.
| 5. A pld package which few people use given that most chip suppliers have
| their own low cost package.
| 6. A toy 3D viewer with a library for which you can not add components.
| 7. Maybe even a web quote toy. Pigs if I am going to send our business to
| the guy who just happened to have the cheapest boards. A working affiliation
| with a board shop takes time and money to develop in order to guarantee
| clean runs.
| 
| The only Support we use is supplied via this group. This is for two reasons,
| the first being that the workarounds are generally more detailed & from
| people who live with this beast in the real world and secondly because the
| enquiry will benefit the many others who will follow the thread.
| 
| At  AUD$900+ every two years I am happy to upgrade as for a one man show it
| is reasonable & affordable, even if we do have to wait for a few service
| packs before it is actually usable as well. I'll even tolerate the
| operational gotchas that still exist after many many years of complaints by
| people on this group.
| 
| Generally Prottle is reasonable value given that only a portion of the
| box -full of stocking stuffers is actually of any real value, unfortunately
| in this case it appears that the Company is basing it's facts on it's own
| advertising material. worrisome...
| 
| At AUD$4000 per year I can only laugh. Firstly it is out of our budget.
| Secondly it is just plain straight piss poor value. I can only wonder at the
| drugs that the marketroid is on that suggested this. After using this
| product since the days of Autotrax and prior to the existence of Windows I
| am in no doubt as to the likelihood of much changing on the software front.
| I wouldn't expect much for my AUD$4000 outside of the pain of having wasted
| so much money.
| 
| If the shareholders consider this a good move to enhance the bottom line I
| would suspect that a user revolt may have them looking even harder at their
| bottom line.  I can live with 99SE, question is, can they live without our
| money...
| 
| 
| I don't accept that the solution to this is to move to another product. We
| have spent a hell of a lot of blood, sweat & tears over the years while
| trying to turn out a living with this product. I believe the solution is to
| fix the current problem & make very sure that Altium know exactly how the
| userbase feels & what the likelihood is of them turning us into cash-cows.
| 
| Cheers
| 
| Don Ingram CID
| 
| 
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: 'Protel EDA Forum' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 11:18 AM
| Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS
| 
| 
| > Sent to Protel/Altium:
| >
| > -----------
| > Why the hell would we (pre Oct 1st 99SE users) want to buy ATS membership
| if
| > we get the same thing for free? Quoted from your web site:
| >
| > "Current Protel 99 SE Customers: All Protel 99 SE customers who have
| > purchased prior to October 1st, 2001 will continue to receive technical
| > support, libraries, and any new service packs and add-ons for Protel 99 SE
| > as part of their license. ATS membership cannot be purchased on existing
| > Protel 99 SE licenses."
| >
| > I assume from this that a new version of Protel is due for release soon
| and
| > support for 99SE will be dropped.
| >
| > Congratulations on another way of screwing the end user for all he's worth
| > and ultimately reducing your market share.
| >
| > I for one will not be purchasing any new versions of Protel if I have to
| pay
| > ongoing fees for incomplete bug full software. Especially if you expect me
| > to beta test new products for free.
| >
| > Please feel free to pass this email on to the money hungry dolts in your
| > marketing department.
| >
| > PS: your autorouter is next to useless.
| > ----------
| >
| > (Rant mode=off)
| > I feel better now.
| >
| 
| 

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