> It is interesting looking at the responses to date regarding the product
and
> the ATS system.  The future plan would seem to suit the 'one gun'
specialist
> PCB drafting contractor. It would be interesting to see what sort of a
> percentage of the total market is occupied by these ( lucky ;-) guys and
> what percentage is occupied by the 10 hats in a day
> Designer/draftsman/programmers for whom the package is but one of a
sizeable
> arsenal of tools which must be purchased, learnt ,supported, & oops almost
> forgot - remembered.

Well, you can count me in as a 10 hats per day kind of guy.  I actually
consider myself luckier than the "one gun" specialist.  I get to do a
variety of tasks in different areas of design.  I can stay involved in a
project from design concept to finished product, and be a part of the design
of each stage along the way.  I find this much more interesting than
specializing in one particular thing.  No offense to those who do - it just
isn't for me.

I also have contacts in the industries I used to work in, and still do
consulting design work for them.  So I get to have a (hopefully) positive
impact on those industries without having to be involved in them.  Which is
good, because there is a lot of backwards mindset in those industries.

Since I also control the purse strings, I get to decide when and what we buy
for test equipment, software, etc.  Much better than when I worked for other
companies in the "bad olde days".  Back then I felt like a miserable beggar,
having to make do with inadequate test equipment, software, etc.  Nowadays,
it's great to have a boss who knows where to spend the budget (even if I do
say so myself) ;-)

As far as Protel goes, I think the overall strategy of the SCH, PCB, SIM,
CAM integration is a good thing.  Altium just needs to fix the bugs,
integrate the pieces better, make the autorouter better, and flush the stuff
that just plain doesn't work or isn't useful.  I don't know why Altium
wanted to buy that embedded compiler company (was it BSO tasking?).  If
purposes were lines, the PCB design and embedded compiling would be skew
lines.  That PeakVHDL thing, whatever happened to it?  I don't see the need
for it, since Xilinx and Lattice both have VHDL synthesis built in to their
free stuff.  Another money-for-nothing acquistion?  Altium, stop buying
companies and spend that money on improving your core product!

Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:  www.bagotronix.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Ingram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel usage


>
>  - Schematic    -  Aside from the library problems I quite like this
> program, it gets the job done & is reasonably intuitive to use.
>
> - PCB               - Beats mylar, it gets the job done & the invoices
paid.
> The later improvements in 99SE such as rooms & classes etc are great ( if
a
> little inconsistent ).
>
>
>  - Powerprint   - Gets better by the revision.
>
>  - CAM Manager  & Camtastic - This has been the most valuable of the
Protel
> stocking stuffers, especially for paneling up jobs before sending to the
> factory.
>
>  - Simulator - Occasionally but hampered by lack of doco's for anything
> serious.
>
>  - Autorouter - Rarely as most jobs are mixed signal. Besides, it either
> works as a reliable tool or it doesn't. With all the gotchas it tends to
> fall into the 'doesn't' camp. Considering the money spent on this since we
> bought in at the Neuroroute stage, internally this is almost as highly
> thought of as 3D viewer.
>
>  > - 3D Viewer - This must have pissed off far more people than it
> impressed. The general feeling was that of deceipt.
>
> > - PLD - With the trend towards giving away PLD/FPGA tools tightly
targeted
> at the specific chipset, why bother. Although it was this area that gave
us
> the deep respect for Schematic as a really 'nice' front end schematic
> capture program when compared with the editor in Synario. Obviously this
has
> caught Atmels eye with the protel front end on their CPLD package.
>
> > - Arrange Components - Align footprints occasionally
>
> > - Autoplacer -  This is at least an order of magnitude more braindead
than
> the autorouter. At least it is consistent as it has kept us amused since
the
> first windows release.
>
> > - PCB Miter
>
> > - Signal Integrity - Documentation?
>
> > - Database Link
>
> It is interesting looking at the responses to date regarding the product
and
> the ATS system.  The future plan would seem to suit the 'one gun'
specialist
> PCB drafting contractor. It would be interesting to see what sort of a
> percentage of the total market is occupied by these ( lucky ;-) guys and
> what percentage is occupied by the 10 hats in a day
> Designer/draftsman/programmers for whom the package is but one of a
sizeable
> arsenal of tools which must be purchased, learnt ,supported, & oops almost
> forgot - remembered.
> Runs for the door to avoid the flames...
>
>
> So is anything likely to change once we part with bulk bucks each & every
> year. Will the consistent level of service displayed over the last 13-14
> years dramatically alter.
>
> I greatly doubt it but am always open to pleasant surprises ;-)
>
> At least there is always one empowering feature with being the Customer,
you
> can always keep the dollars in your own pocket.
>
> Cheers & avagoodweekend
>
> Don
>

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