My question of "Are you this liberal when you are the employer?" was aimed
at the "Is he justified?  Darn right he is", and whether one of your own
employees would be justified in a similar circumstance if you were on the
employer end.

As far as everything else that you say here is concerned, I would say that
you have made a pretty good case for the standard "Employment Agreement",
and I would say that on the average, the standard "Employment Agreement" is
pretty fair to both parties.

I also think that you have made a pretty good case for the "use of Company
resources" issue that is to be found at the heart of most "Assignment

It all boils down to what is done where and with what, and whether or not
permission is given by the owner of the resources being used.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT employer topics WAS: License Legalities

> > I am somewhat surprised at your stance above when it comes to what an
> > Employer seems to "owe" an Employee, or what an Employee has the "right"
> to
> > be able to do at the expense of his Employers time and resources.
> >
> > But then again, quite possibly you only consider this where other
> Employers
> > are concerned. Are you this liberal when you are the employer? See
> I don't consider it being liberal, I consider it being fair.  I once had
> employee who was an amateur musician.  He was even a pro for a while back
> the early 90's - unfortunately the music scene shifted and his (heavy
> band became an anachronism just as it was getting noticed.  You know the
> lyrics in AC/DC's song "Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution", where the
> singer says "Rock and roll will never die..."  Well, I got news for you
> it's dead!  It died in the early 90's.  I haven't been able to listen to
> 40 radio for over 10 years now.  But I digress.  And no, he was not a band
> member in AC/DC.  Anyway, I hired this guy because he was an electronics
> buff.  He had 2 years of vocational tech schooling, in addition to
> circuits at home and repairing guitar amps and electronic instruments.  He
> told me of his quest to build the perfect noise gate, compressor/limiter,
> tube amp, etc.  He would ask me my opinions about circuitry.  And we would
> enjoy these discussions during lunch and breaks.
> Now if he came up with some music gizmo he invented at home on his own
> I don't feel like I would own the rights to it.  I even let him borrow one
> of the scopes for a while until he bought his own.  But if any of what he
> did required design time from me (other than tips and advice during lunch
> and breaks), then I would feel like I had some ownership of it.
> I have enough ideas and creativity to make my own fortune.  I don't need
> rip off someone else's hard work to get there.  And if my former employee
> makes it big someday with an electronic music instrument gizmo, I'm happy
> for him.  As for me, I'll stick to embedded computers and control systems
> for now.
> As far as ex-employees going into competition, that is on a case-by-base
> basis.  If the former employee started producing DOS Stamp clones, then I
> would take action against him.  But if he starts making his own design
> on an 8051, SH3, or some other CPU we've never used before, that's nothing
> to get riled about, because he didn't steal my IP to make it.
> > By the way, what would you yourself do if your own little Company needed
> to
> > get a certain job done for a Customer, and you walked up behind one of
> your
> > employees who was supposed to be working on this job, and you found him
> > working on his own little project, on your time, and you realized just
> > looking at what he was doing, that he had to have spent the last three
> days
> > working on his own little project?
> >
> > What would you really do?
> I'd fire his ass.  That is not the same thing as working on one's own
> project on one's own time.
> Best regards,
> Ivan Baggett
> Bagotronix Inc.
> website:  www.bagotronix.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT employer topics WAS: License Legalities

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