KLUNK ! ! !
I thought at one time that we could possibly embarrass Altium into some
kind of action on Service Pack 7, and I think that since it appears that
all else has failed, that maybe its time we should start making a some
more "noise" again.
It worked for ATS (at least superficially) . . .
The nicer, kinder, gentler, meeker, submissive, and more passive user
approach has gotten us nowhere in terms of fixing the remaining problems
with Protel 99 SE, and absolutely nothing except more refrains from the
"upgrade to Protel DXP" song and dance routine of some of the more
prominent users in this forum, almost as if they were either getting a
commission on DXP sales, or maybe even hoping that if they could get
enough new converts to DXP that Altium would fix it faster and even
possibly someday make DXP as productive as 99 SE (even with all of its
"warts") . . . .
[insert primal scream here]
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Upgrading to DXP, even at this point in time, is not "upgrading", but
still actually "downgrading", in almost every sense. Yes, DXP may
someday actually become the super wazoo program it has the potential to
be, and even become a really functional alternative to 99 SE, and be
worth the price of admission, and even be worth the price of training
(or is that retraining), but it appears that at this point there are
still a number of DXP users that are still singing the blues and have
not yet seen the vision of the starry eyed and Altruistic Altium
faithful . .
Alt[ruistic]ium . . .
JaMi
PS. While members of this forum see an occasional DXP sob story, or even
the occasional story of success, to really see what's happening with DXP
you need to join the DXP Forum, from the Altium website, where you can
see the daily problems and solutions. Even as just Protel 99 SE users
you should still be able to join the DXP forum (since you are a
potential DXP customer), just to monitor its progress as it were.
Interestingly, or possibly the word is unfortunately, it is still even v
ery difficult to log into the "official" DXP Forum website and review
all of the previous posts that are archived there, since a good number
of the posts are totally scrambled and unreadable, since it is still,
even at this time, unable to correctly display the all of the various
different email formats.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> As far as I know it was never fixed and it still hangs
> many many times on close so end process
> needs to be done to shut down a machine.
>
> Bob Wolfe
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
>
> > i believe there is both a in memory cache and an in schematic file
cache
> >
> > closing and reopening the file does not clear the memory cache as i
> > recall
> >
> > you have to close the whole protel session
> > i think this was cleaned up somewhere along the way so that i have
not
> > found it to be much of a problem
> >
> > please correct me if i am wrong about this behavoir
> >
> > Dennis Saputelli
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > This probably strays from your query, but from memory, there was a
> buglett
> > > (I'm not sure if it's been fixed) in that where you define the
default
> > > primitives in the schematic editor for schematic parts, one of the
> > > PartFields was incorrectly mapped to another. Therefore, there
was one
> > > part field you could not define, and another that appeared twice.
What
> I
> > > do now at the end of a design is to do a global change to all
schematic
> > > parts and replace all part fields matched by: * with attributes:
{*=}.
> > >
> > > "...The weirdest thing however is that when I place the part,
delete it
> > > and
> > > then place it again all behaves as expected: non-hidden, blank
fields.
> > > Every subsequently placed instance of that part (wether left-click
or
> with
> > >
> > > a new place command) is then OK, even when rotated..."
> > >
> > > .... this mysterious behaviour may have to do with how Protel
caches
> > > placed library parts. Once you place a part in the schematic
editor, it
> > > is cached in memory somewhere (escapes me as to where exactly at
the
> mo).
> > > Even when you place a part supposedly from the library, it adopts
the
> > > cached part. This is overridden with the "update cached parts"
> function.
> > >
> > > I've also experienced Michael's situation once where an entire
databse
> > > file etc vanished. This occured when Protel crashed and gave the
option
> > > to "ignore and continue" or "close". This one time I chose to
close and
> > > it then kindly offered to save my work that had changed. The
mistake in
> > > this case is to select "save" (and destroy).
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Brendon.
> > >
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 09/18/03 02:00 AM
> > > Please respond to
> > > "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > To
> > > "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > cc
> > >
> > > Subject
> > > Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> > >
> > > I have noticed (and I have only been using 99 SE for a few months)
that
> it
> > > does indeed have Altzheimer's. I have had the program completely
erase
> my
> > > entire database (admittedly it wasn't large) including the
backups.
> > >
> > > I recently had a harddrive crash and had to reinstall Windows and
> Protel.
> > > Since then it has been MUCH better behaved.
> > >
> > > Michael Badillo
> > >
> > > From: Leo Potjewijd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: 2003/09/17 Wed AM 08:08:16 EDT
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> > >
> > > Hi again.
> > >
> > > I just noticed sometghing strange with the Sch editor of
P99SE(SP6).
> > >
> > > I set up my schematic libraries (all in one database) with custom
part
> > > field names: 'tolerance' for field 1, 'power/voltage' for field 2
and
> > > 'class/rating' for field 3.
> > > Since these fields can be blank for a lot of parts, I further set
those
> > > fields to blanks in the default primitives dialog. I also
unchecked
> their
> > > 'hide' checkbox to facilitate later editing.
> > >
> > > When I place a part, the first time around these fields show up as
an
> > > asterisk on the same location as the part type; ie I have a value
and
> > > three
> > > asterisks on top of one another.
> > > The fields are not hidden (as expected), but the fields contain
> asterisks
> > > (which is NOT expected).
> > >
> > > When I rotate the part or left-click again the asterisks that
shouldn't
> be
> > >
> > > there in the first place suddenly show up at their normal position
> (which
> > > is _very_ strange, to say the least).
> > >
> > > The weirdest thing however is that when I place the part, delete
it and
> > > then place it again all behaves as expected: non-hidden, blank
fields.
> > > Every subsequently placed instance of that part (wether left-click
or
> with
> > >
> > > a new place command) is then OK, even when rotated...
> > >
> > > But when I place some other part from any library I'm back at
square
> one.
> > >
> > > Closing libraries, databases or restarting Protel doesn't help;
neither
> > > does 'update parts in cache' or 'update schematics'.
> > >
> > > Which brings me to these questions:
> > > Did I miss a setting somewhere?
> > > Did anyone see this before?
> > > Is there a solution to this? This is quite annoying.....
> > >
> > > Leo Potjewijd
> > > hardware designer
> > > IE Keyprocessor bv.
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > +31 20 4620700
> >
> > --
> > Dennis Saputelli
> >
> > ========= send only plain text please! - no HTML ==========
> >
_______________________________________________________________________
> > Integrated Controls, Inc. www.integratedcontrolsinc.com
> > 2851 21st Street tel: 415-647-0480
> > San Francisco, CA 94110 fax: 415-647-3003
> >
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