I was only pointing out that with PADS you have the choice of three different schematic caption options, two of which are from Mentor. Each has it's own + & -, and depending on your needs, one will be a better choice than the other. With DXP you really only have one option. I am talking practicle real options. You can create a netlist and translate from just about anything but to do it on a continual basis is not reasonable. You will loose productivity and leave yourself open to error.

you are welcome to your own opinion, I will say it again, nobody ever using Protel (Altium) of any flavor has ever made PCD Top Gun, there is a reason for that and it has nothing to do with the designer, It is highly unlikely anyone will or could regardless how talented the designer, Look at the winners, they are almost without exception users of the high end ($) systems, I should also point out many of these people had multiple CAD options to choose from when competeing, why did they choose their top end system? simple, they knew better than anybody which CAD gave them the best chance of winning the competition.

If you do not believe me ask the people who run the competition or better yet, ask the people who have competed and made Top Gun.

P.H.

From: "John A. Ross [Design]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:31:17 +0100

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Protel Hell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 May 2004 20:08
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison
>
> keep in mind with PADS 2004 you have the option to use Orcad,
> PowerLogic, and ViewDraw as the schematic capture. depending
> on what you are trying to do will determine which you will
> want to use, but in reality the one you use will be the one
> that you either are told to use or are familiar with.

Hmmm, Protel ?

You can use any capture package that will produe a compatible netlist
(as long as the fottprint names match the decal names).

> Snip <

> you get what you pay for, when buying CAD you should spend
> what you can afford,

Wrong attitude my freind, you spend what is needed to get the job done
right.

By spend I mean investing in ones own skills as well as the tools, tools
are dumb unless driven by someone who knows what they should be doing.

If that means multiple tools and some translation so be it.

If the cost is beyond ones means then you are in the wrong job.

Just a few $0.02 worth

JOhn




> > > >From: "John A. Ross [RSDTV]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison > >Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 23:37:05 +0100 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Nukien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:52 PM > > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > > Subject: [PEDA] OT: Mentor PADS comparison > > > > > > Hi All - > > > > > > Somewhat offtopic here ... I'm currently a 99SE devout user > > > - we haven't made the switch to 2004 yet. I've been > discussing it > > > with some colleagues, and a couple of them have gone to Mentor's > > > PADS 2004 product. They're still new at it, but are definitely > > > singing praises. > > > >Dean > > > >I am Jealous :-), I have not got my Pads 2004 copy yet, it > was released > >then a patch was done for some issues (mostly fab releated) > but it has > >not hit my desk yet. > > > >Thought I would add that in, for the benefit of one of the > employees at > >my Mentor VAR who also frequents this list :-) > > > > > Does anyone else here have any experience with it at all > ? I would > > > dread the learning curve - going to DXP/2004 while still > a curve, is > > > at least in the same family/paradigm. I would really > like to hear > > > what some of the pros and cons are between DXP/2004 and PADS/2004. > > > >But knowing Pads as I do it wont have changed that much from > 5.01, it > >is a very nice tool, never liked Plogic much and that is > where you are > >going to miss out big as the capture side is a dinosaur to say the > >least. > > > >You learning curve will be less with DXP2004 for sure, it looks > >different, and has different design approach, but IMO it has > been made > >to look WAY more complex than it needs to be, considering a lot of > >things in it are the same. > > > >There are a lot of features I would have liked to see in DXP that > >exists in pads, but I fear my requests will fall on deaf ears > >sometimes, but do not be fooled, there are also a lot of things in > >Protel I would like to see in Pads as well. > > > >All that glitters is not gold :-) > > > >What I would strongly advise is that you make a design spec, say a > >small micro that flashes some LEDs, well, it may as well > look good, and > >do it in the most complex and difficult way. > > > >Keep notes & times on this exercise, likes dislikes, put 1 LED per > >sheet, the micro on another, draw ALL the Decals/Footprints > yourself, > >bring the design into PowerPCB and make a complex board > outline and a > >few copper / board cut-outs and some polygons / copper pours. Then > >produce the fab files (if you use your own SMT place > equipment then you > >will like the CAM outputs) > > > >Now repeat exactly the same process & design in Protel and > when you are > >finished compare notes. > > > >Then you will have a well formed opinion and substance to back it up > >when confronting your colleagues. > > > >Anytime I have seen some-one that impressed with a Pads demo > was when > >it is done by an experienced Pads user/sales person. > > > >Hope this helps > > > >John > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > >


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