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hi James, first of all, i admit your arguments are geared toward pragmatism, yet progressive in the direction of free (libre) software principles, already well valuable to the cause. yet the point of view you are explaining is that of an artist, a creative role in first person, rather than that of an educator, someone whose mission is that of sharing know-how rather than concepts. i'd like to make a distinction. please consider me far from the role of judging wether one or the other roles are "ideologically" or "ethically" more fit for populating the free software community, often we switch ourselves between those two roles and i believe that this benefits the quality of all our activities. On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 09:07:19AM +0800, James Harkins wrote: > But when free software advocates insist that the documentation -- > documentation, not code -- must not help users install non-free > components, then I have to get off the train. Where's the boundary? i believe our main concern is about educational institutions, which in the past decades have progressively shifted into the role of preparing people to serve industry and be dependent from its commodities. at the risk of sounding pedantic, the scholarly formulated statement below serves well to explain what i'm saying. The semantic nucleus (Sinn) of the word "Economy" has remained almost invariant and that has permitted to extend the word to new denotations. This phenomenon is somehow similar to what has happened in our days to the term /Enterprise/ which, with the consensus of the majority of interested subjects, has been extended to contexts indicated by the term /University/, which originally had nothing to do with it (Agamben, 2007) this can be just an incipit for a critical analysis of publicly subsidized initiatives in Europe that go along the name of "creative industries" or "creative enterprises". now to come back closer to our topic: in this discussion my concerns about having an 100% free (as in libre) operating system deal with the context of its distribution in schools and adoption in educational initiatives and, more precisely, with the transfer of *knowledge* constituted by *commons*, as opposed to privately owned. in case of an initiative as that of an artwork, i'd be much less concerned with such pedagogical issues, since it is up to the artists to decide on how artworks are circulating and redistributed, being such attributes often integral part of their concepts. nevertheless my aesthetic sense suggests me that interactive art is nowadays closer than ever to entertainment, after having developed a strong dependence from the industry, art became somehow "limited", even in its capacity to produce values: paradoxically, the commodification of its materiality has left very little space to the economy art used to constitute. at last you can argue that, as an artist, my own productions are kept somehow "primitive" and themselves limited by such ideological assumptions, but i can assure you that my use of black and white and text based mediums so far is a pure and intentional aesthetic choice :) ciao - -- jaromil, dyne.org developer, http://jaromil.dyne.org GPG: B2D9 9376 BFB2 60B7 601F 5B62 F6D3 FBD9 C2B6 8E39 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQQcBAEBCAAGBQJMoyqxAAoJEAslGzkIl3JRWVAf/3rkOYLPSdChcl+ThOz/FS1J XRGkHs+shAOriv4eYNN542o2KkfWrYB+D8sjY1nEfP0vd6NjzS5MlLPOfYnd1PWI STCsZoMCZ/3iJrss2cOjq+vpZ2GqAJ7yu/FpFCuWcnaiMlEQTJp7OHFGzXdmgkZr cpa1YJzaPYAUnbMdXyWYZFE+vOMqshV7a/1jIQb3+Pdal9ny1svjKEGSj/FqWHYW KcpnIktsbR1eIJ9G5TfaJvAUBRD1X+KbORIooGHCRpoMt5EMHQOyBFizgHvxXBVL H/hjkRtnSXCsK7JXDqJOO/kPwdd1ByYBDraZHIqXZ3WDdP6ZHo75iP/1oYcTkKuY 8iGAo6Az4a71sjjqrkgGpFEzbJfMj7eXgNXDrTrry0BpPSRtxk8rCCKPaIiVVF5a 4H3w77Bo8h/B/Woz9oRLz6KIWIVVA8vXXtRsDlc7faYeuwvoYes6ZyoHC0Ug2abp 5cSz+ua4zi3+FtVxYKSzhLQuudchoKG2Qy9Udj2rcGCR8ku3cYXofyvPMC3KWBcg cnXSJUYSPLbhLbqzF1X6RuJummDLdSRneKJcoT5fX4EW0vAohYXleD56DsJP29tU aq+oG6B2EmwgruyTdV1i2ussjmj8CTrX0v4zLPqNWUueRnf3fta8alT4LxAwAYWq AFgfKqXls1Hayt4zB4tLb1bezbWxsJ18Z3BNRFLp9RF/PCpPxdbTIWag+hF3mCa0 GD7DUu+qxXcRBrTgwPZ6r24CkV7YH+iwsVKV25sGIcYMHVb9CkPsQXVpOAeQOW3e YPdFWjQ3jcio5gOL9oGGuWd0noMDTN74qb0BLgE98ydl+WvLgBDg6jIQN01Gdp76 8wL0OtOBCSJ06pn2gaoPjqDdJfow7ma3+dq2QpHo6R//prV+HT+E/OOQnMWy09wK Fw2knrOg43cwdv51AMzbgsd6x3aS7Dal1jDn73IwGahIjcVe3P3Up7yXmcEXw/p2 VekKNziWQoM4JloxXsAFC7MV++DjunUL+TxhEvOSGUflMvlgbUFffsLX9Cs74GEC DNjN6g6Hg05ezNnmSLrkBriF97VikTd4id5C7RWlmEj1MAGSrmFaDNbcX++tn1yM DaffLwpg0ECQARWwvi1bqFU70Qg41VqZNYD+bUt0B6WWwTDMDbh0YKPXISg11Tl2 qXsfR0QDGbTcMH6IqgC6lwr8gPufY5A5HtxRlFDWwKBACm3kx5FAqL1cngUYFlQd i4RoJWYsS7G9w2Wx3x8DWQ90gwfwEWEgCCTVvjlcCLJa2K3FiyYN3ulbd3YWSpew /fnj4UH0zHDK3bvNjjnVTmRvSeMkEmld444G8/umsm8tToYOWZxL29+u7orwrNQ= =EKsu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- [email protected] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
