Im not promoting vandalism because its an individual choice. Calling the police would work if every person did it. One thing though we as Americans took this country though guerilla tactics because we were outnumbered by tyrants. We couldnt have been free if we played fair. I believe that people have a higher i.q. than a german shepard and fully know what they are doing when they misuse the handicapped spot or lined off section. If the person misusing the spot comes out and sees a key job down the side of their 38,000 dollar hummer they know exactly why it happenned. Some people have no fear of blocking the disabled because they were raised as dirtbags and take advantage of the weak.Just my thoughts on the subject. ron c7 --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Tod E. Santee <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Tod E. Santee <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] It's not worth it To: [email protected] Cc: "RONALD L PRACHT" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:34 AM I agree fighting for spots *can* seem worthless at times, too, because in most cases those who abuse it simply don't care and feel that even if they get caught and/or ticketed once, the cdhance vof it happening again is extremely slim... like lightning striking your car twice. But vandalizing a car with dent, scratch, having it keyed down the side, etc. really does nothing but serve some (illegal) self-satisfaction. The chance the abuser will ever know *why* or *how* his/her car was damaged is nill... because s/he parked illegally would likely never even cross their mind unless you leave a note... and then you risk more witnesses. (However, I'll admit there *was* a time I used pre-printed 3.5" floppy disk labels saying: "Your illegal parking stopped a person with a disability from using a spot dedicated to them for their unusually special circumstances. The police have been called to ticket your vehicle. I hope you arrived before they did. Have a nice day." I *did* call police from a store phone... not my own. And placing the sticker was quicker and easier than scratching it in an obvious location... I even had passers-by volunteer to help! So, even if they didn't get ticketed, those adhesive labels baking in the Tucson sun on someones hood or windshield were a b!tch to remove!) But constant legal action through ticketing and actually waiting for police to arrive every time you can sends a message to police AND offenders. And remember, too, that even properly licenced drivers with HC plates or placards CAN park illegally... i.e. parking too close to or ON/Over the white line on one side to make extra space on the exit side is a ticketable offense in most locales. Here in Tucson the fine for parking illegally in a HC spot is $500. It was raised and widely discussed in the news shortly after it was found that the recent rise from $65 to $250 was having little effect. Only by enforcing our own rights, written right into the ADA, can we ensure we won't lose them through non-use. Just imagine if the Civil Rights Act of 1964 hadn't been vigorously defended and implemented! Always Remember... the ADA of 1990 (almost 19 years old now) *IS* a Civil Rights law, not a "special rights" law as some would have us believe! Best wishes All, Tod E. Santee ---- RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> wrote: > To: [email protected] > > i agree fighting for handicapped spots can seem worthless.but if each of us called the police or vandalized one car parked there we could take a bite out of the handicapped parking abuse.plus those of us that drive alone have little choice but to fight the battle. some days when im feeling down i admit i go to the back but the majority of the time i fight the battle in hopes it will get easier. > > ron c7 > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Cullen <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Cullen <[email protected]> > Subject: [QUAD-L] It's not worth it > To: "Quad-liST" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 1:51 PM > > > We live in Bullhead City, Az and it seems everyone here has a handicapped placard, We don't expect to find an open handicapped space and then I'm not surprised when indeed there isn't one. We park across two regular spaces and we made up two 8 1/2 x 11 signs that read " RAMP VAN NEED TWO SPACES TO OPEN RAMP WHEN HANDICAPPED SPOTS ARE FULL " this seems to make me and everyone else happy. Before we made up the signs one guy parked as close as he could to the driver side door to keep us from getting back in, but we used the ramp door " no problem be happy " and then he wrote a nasty note others just wrote nasty notes. We embossed the signs and put them in the drivers and passenger side windows. > > The only ones that seem to get upset about people abusing > sing the handicapped parking laws is us, the abuser just goes on his merry way. I just decided that I'm not going to let them ruin my day. > > Cullen > C3 > > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Quadius <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Quadius <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators > To: "bob quinn" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] > Received: Friday, January 23, 2009, 6:26 PM > > > This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access. > > There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them. > Quadius > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn <[email protected]> wrote: > > Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down). > > One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, "don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease," like that gave him the right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually said, "you handicapped people think you're so special." I could go on. I was never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people that would park in a space that clearly isn't one. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM > Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators > > > A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the National Debt, in just under 3 years. > Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too. > Let's get the program in gear! > Best Wishes > W > > In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/ > > Bill targets handicapped parking violators > BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT) > The Post and Courier > Monday, January 19, 2009 > > > Special Section: > Watchdog > > People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in the striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds over who is responsible for catching violators. > > "There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking in spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to," said Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden. > > Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats, introduced a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of acquiring a placard. The state Senate already has passed the legislation twice, but the bill stalled in the House both times, Sheheen said. > > Angela Jacildone, state advocacy manager for the mid-Atlantic chapter of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, said record keeping is part of the problem. > > "There's a disconnect between the forms from the DMV and the physician who writes the prescription (for the placard)," Jacildone said. > > A Watchdog report earlier this year found the Department of Motor Vehicles does not record physicians' information, leaving no way to check whether a physician actually filled out the form. The bill would connect those dots with a form that will stay on file with the DMV. > > The proposed law also would redefine a person with a disability. > > "The current law may not include a person with Multiple Sclerosis because they may not look like they have a disease," she said. Many people with MS suffer fatigue, which worsens throughout the day. > > And finally, the legislation would connect the person and the placard with an identification card, which law enforcement personnel could look at and match. > > Although not part of the proposed law, the MS society would like to see more clarification in the law regarding who has jurisdiction for enforcement. > > "Some agencies will tell us they will go to business parking lots. Others say it's private property," Jacildone said. > > "We would also like to see more language about access aisles," she said. > > Cars sometimes park in the striped areas next to designated spaces. That aisle is necessary for a person with a disability to get in and out of their wheelchair or scooter. > > Reach Jill Coley at 937-5719 or [email protected]. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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