Oops, accidently bumped "Send"

--- anyway, to complete my thought about who thinks about it and, among those 
who do, how much do they care and/or why are they "entitled?"

One only need go back to the story that began this thread, read the story (if 
it's still online) and hit the "Show Comments" link at the bottom of the story. 
 Some testimonials about HC Parking ills, but many more complaining about how 
we should just stay away or tough it out with a regular space.  And all because 
we're already given too many "special" rights (not "Civil Rights") already! 

(And there's the one guy who paid for his own cure, not SCI, instead of relying 
on insurance to pay his bills for him.  How dare we!?)


Again...
Best wishes,
--Tod

---- "Tod E. Santee" <[email protected]> wrote: 
> Ron -- I guess our "disagreement," if you will, is that it seems you're 
> assuming these folks actually THINK about it, care about it, and/or "get it" 
> enough to really connect all the dots.  And, IMO, even if they do care and 
> can connect dots, I have a hugely difficult time believing they THINK about 
> it.  Far to often I've heard "Oh... I didn't think of it,"  or "...think of 
> it that way."  Ansd when I look in their faces, it's obvious they don't think 
> at that level.
> 
> Best wishes,
> --Tod
> 
> ---- RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> wrote: 
> > If the person misusing the spot comes out and sees a key job down the side 
> > of their 38,000 dollar hummer they know exactly why it happenned. Some 
> > people have no fear of blocking the disabled because they were raised as 
> > dirtbags and take advantage of the weak.Just my thoughts on the subject.
> >  
> > ron c7
> > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Tod E. Santee <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > From: Tod E. Santee <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] It's not worth it
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: "RONALD L PRACHT" <[email protected]>
> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:34 AM
> > 
> > I agree fighting for spots *can* seem worthless at times, too, because in 
> > most
> > cases those who abuse it simply don't care and feel that even if they get
> > caught and/or ticketed once, the cdhance vof it happening again is extremely
> > slim... like lightning striking your car twice.
> > 
> > But vandalizing a car with dent, scratch, having it keyed down the side, 
> > etc.
> > really does nothing but serve some (illegal) self-satisfaction.  The chance 
> > the
> > abuser will ever know *why* or *how* his/her car was damaged is nill... 
> > because
> > s/he parked illegally would likely never even cross their mind unless you 
> > leave
> > a note... and then you risk more witnesses.
> > 
> > (However, I'll admit there *was* a time I used pre-printed 3.5" floppy
> > disk labels saying:
> >      "Your illegal parking stopped a person with a disability from using a
> > spot dedicated to them for their unusually special circumstances.  The 
> > police
> > have been called to ticket your vehicle.  I hope you arrived before they 
> > did. 
> > Have a nice day."  I *did* call police from a store phone... not my own. 
> > And placing the sticker was quicker and easier than scratching it in an 
> > obvious
> > location... I even had passers-by volunteer to help!  So, even if they
> > didn't get ticketed, those adhesive labels baking in the Tucson sun on
> > someones hood or windshield were a b!tch to remove!)
> > 
> > But constant legal action through ticketing and actually waiting for police 
> > to
> > arrive every time you can sends a message to police AND offenders.  And
> > remember, too, that even properly licenced drivers with HC plates or 
> > placards
> > CAN park illegally... i.e. parking too close to or ON/Over the white line 
> > on one
> > side to make extra space on the exit side is a ticketable offense in most
> > locales.
> > 
> > Here in Tucson the fine for parking illegally in a HC spot is $500.  It was
> > raised and widely discussed in the news shortly after it was found that the
> > recent rise from $65 to $250 was having little effect.
> > 
> > Only by enforcing our own rights, written right into the ADA, can we ensure 
> > we
> > won't lose them through non-use.  Just imagine if the Civil Rights Act of
> > 1964 hadn't been vigorously defended and implemented!
> > 
> > Always Remember... the ADA of 1990 (almost 19 years old now)  *IS*  a Civil
> > Rights law, not a "special rights" law as some would have us believe!
> > 
> > Best wishes All,
> > Tod E. Santee
> > 
> > ---- RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> wrote: 
> > > To: [email protected] 
> > > 
> > > i agree fighting for handicapped spots can seem worthless.but if each of
> > us called the police or vandalized one car parked there we could take a 
> > bite out
> > of the handicapped parking abuse.plus those of us that drive alone have 
> > little
> > choice but to fight the battle. some days when im feeling down i admit i go 
> > to
> > the back but the majority of the time i fight the battle in hopes it will 
> > get
> > easier.
> > >  
> > > ron c7
> > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Cullen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: Cullen <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: [QUAD-L] It's not worth it
> > > To: "Quad-liST" <[email protected]>
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 1:51 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > We live in Bullhead City, Az and it seems everyone here has a handicapped
> > placard, We don't expect to find an open handicapped space and then I'm
> > not surprised when indeed there isn't one. We park across two regular spaces
> > and we made up two 8 1/2 x 11 signs that read " RAMP VAN NEED TWO SPACES TO
> > OPEN RAMP WHEN HANDICAPPED SPOTS ARE FULL " this seems to make me and
> > everyone else happy. Before we made up the signs one guy parked as close as 
> > he
> > could to the driver side door to keep us from getting back in, but we used 
> > the
> > ramp door " no problem be happy " and then he wrote a nasty note
> > others just wrote nasty notes. We embossed the signs and put them in the 
> > drivers
> > and passenger side windows.
> > > 
> > > The only ones that seem to get upset about people abusing 
> > > sing the handicapped parking laws is us, the abuser just goes on his merry
> > way. I just decided that I'm not going to let them ruin my day.
> > > 
> > > Cullen
> > > C3
> > > 
> > >

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