Ron -- I guess our "disagreement," if you will, is that it seems you're assuming these folks actually THINK about it, care about it, and/or "get it" enough to really connect all the dots. And, IMO, even if they do care and can connect dots, I have a hugely difficult time believing they THINK about it. Far to often I've heard "Oh... I didn't think of it," or "...think of it that way." Ansd when I look in their faces, it's obvious they don't think at that level.
Best wishes, --Tod ---- RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> wrote: > If the person misusing the spot comes out and sees a key job down the side of > their 38,000 dollar hummer they know exactly why it happenned. Some people > have no fear of blocking the disabled because they were raised as dirtbags > and take advantage of the weak.Just my thoughts on the subject. > > ron c7 > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Tod E. Santee <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Tod E. Santee <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] It's not worth it > To: [email protected] > Cc: "RONALD L PRACHT" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:34 AM > > I agree fighting for spots *can* seem worthless at times, too, because in most > cases those who abuse it simply don't care and feel that even if they get > caught and/or ticketed once, the cdhance vof it happening again is extremely > slim... like lightning striking your car twice. > > But vandalizing a car with dent, scratch, having it keyed down the side, etc. > really does nothing but serve some (illegal) self-satisfaction. The chance > the > abuser will ever know *why* or *how* his/her car was damaged is nill... > because > s/he parked illegally would likely never even cross their mind unless you > leave > a note... and then you risk more witnesses. > > (However, I'll admit there *was* a time I used pre-printed 3.5" floppy > disk labels saying: > "Your illegal parking stopped a person with a disability from using a > spot dedicated to them for their unusually special circumstances. The police > have been called to ticket your vehicle. I hope you arrived before they did. > Have a nice day." I *did* call police from a store phone... not my own. > And placing the sticker was quicker and easier than scratching it in an > obvious > location... I even had passers-by volunteer to help! So, even if they > didn't get ticketed, those adhesive labels baking in the Tucson sun on > someones hood or windshield were a b!tch to remove!) > > But constant legal action through ticketing and actually waiting for police to > arrive every time you can sends a message to police AND offenders. And > remember, too, that even properly licenced drivers with HC plates or placards > CAN park illegally... i.e. parking too close to or ON/Over the white line on > one > side to make extra space on the exit side is a ticketable offense in most > locales. > > Here in Tucson the fine for parking illegally in a HC spot is $500. It was > raised and widely discussed in the news shortly after it was found that the > recent rise from $65 to $250 was having little effect. > > Only by enforcing our own rights, written right into the ADA, can we ensure we > won't lose them through non-use. Just imagine if the Civil Rights Act of > 1964 hadn't been vigorously defended and implemented! > > Always Remember... the ADA of 1990 (almost 19 years old now) *IS* a Civil > Rights law, not a "special rights" law as some would have us believe! > > Best wishes All, > Tod E. Santee > > ---- RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> wrote: > > To: [email protected] > > > > i agree fighting for handicapped spots can seem worthless.but if each of > us called the police or vandalized one car parked there we could take a bite > out > of the handicapped parking abuse.plus those of us that drive alone have little > choice but to fight the battle. some days when im feeling down i admit i go to > the back but the majority of the time i fight the battle in hopes it will get > easier. > > > > ron c7 > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Cullen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: Cullen <[email protected]> > > Subject: [QUAD-L] It's not worth it > > To: "Quad-liST" <[email protected]> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 1:51 PM > > > > > > We live in Bullhead City, Az and it seems everyone here has a handicapped > placard, We don't expect to find an open handicapped space and then I'm > not surprised when indeed there isn't one. We park across two regular spaces > and we made up two 8 1/2 x 11 signs that read " RAMP VAN NEED TWO SPACES TO > OPEN RAMP WHEN HANDICAPPED SPOTS ARE FULL " this seems to make me and > everyone else happy. Before we made up the signs one guy parked as close as he > could to the driver side door to keep us from getting back in, but we used the > ramp door " no problem be happy " and then he wrote a nasty note > others just wrote nasty notes. We embossed the signs and put them in the > drivers > and passenger side windows. > > > > The only ones that seem to get upset about people abusing > > sing the handicapped parking laws is us, the abuser just goes on his merry > way. I just decided that I'm not going to let them ruin my day. > > > > Cullen > > C3 > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Quadius <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: Quadius <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators > > To: "bob quinn" <[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected] > > Received: Friday, January 23, 2009, 6:26 PM > > > > > > This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the > disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to > take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals > who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access. > > > > There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so > that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving > around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in > them. > > Quadius > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable > to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. > Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen > will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as > they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down). > > > > One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant > about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman > had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots > available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, "don't get > me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease," like that gave him the > right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). > Another > guy with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) > actually said, "you handicapped people think you're so special." > I could go on. I was never anything but respectful in all encounters, but > what > I usually got in return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type > of > people that would park in a space that clearly isn't one. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM > > Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators > > > > > > A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the > National Debt, in just under 3 years. > > Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too. > > Let's get the program in gear! > > Best Wishes > > W > > > > In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/ > > > > Bill targets handicapped parking violators > > BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT) > > The Post and Courier > > Monday, January 19, 2009 > > > > > > Special Section: > > Watchdog > > > > People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park > in the striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds > over who is responsible for catching violators. > > > > "There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, > parking in spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled > to," said Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden. > > > > Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats, > introduced a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of > acquiring a placard. The state Senate already has passed the legislation > twice, > but the bill stalled in the House both times, Sheheen said. > > > > Angela Jacildone, state advocacy manager for the mid-Atlantic chapter of > the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, said record keeping is part of the > problem. > > > > "There's a disconnect between the forms from the DMV and the > physician who writes the prescription (for the placard)," Jacildone said. > > > > A Watchdog report earlier this year found the Department of Motor Vehicles > does not record physicians' information, leaving no way to check whether a > physician actually filled out the form. The bill would connect those dots > with a > form that will stay on file with the DMV. > > > > The proposed law also would redefine a person with a disability. > > > > "The current law may not include a person with Multiple Sclerosis > because they may not look like they have a disease," she said. Many people > with MS suffer fatigue, which worsens throughout the day. > > > > And finally, the legislation would connect the person and the placard with > an identification card, which law enforcement personnel could look at and > match. > > > > Although not part of the proposed law, the MS society would like to see > more clarification in the law regarding who has jurisdiction for enforcement. > > > > "Some agencies will tell us they will go to business parking lots. > Others say it's private property," Jacildone said. > > > > "We would also like to see more language about access aisles," > she said. > > > > Cars sometimes park in the striped areas next to designated spaces. That > aisle is necessary for a person with a disability to get in and out of their > wheelchair or scooter. > > > > Reach Jill Coley at 937-5719 or [email protected]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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