On 01/19/2018 09:32 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
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On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 01:43:00AM +0000, Simon Gaiser wrote:
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:
Hi all,
I'm building what hopefully will be R4.0-rc4 and I have two
reflections:
1. After upgrading templates to fedora-26 and debian-9, there is no way
the installation image will fit on DVD. Right now it takes 4908384256
bytes. We probably could try to cut it down by eliminating even more
packages from templates, but I think there is no much non-essential
packages left there. For example we no longer ship vim in debian-9.
Right now I see two options:
- abandon the goal of fitting the image on DVD (I'd go for this)
- exclude some template from default installation...
OTOH in nearly all cases a user needs to install stuff from the net
anyway. So downloading an additional template doesn't really hurt. And
for example when restoring from a backup no additional templates are
needed at all.
Yes, but downloading 30MB, or even 100MB of packages is different than
over half of GB.
Slightly unrelated thoughts about what should be on default
installation:
1. It is important to keep "basic stuff for average user"
installed by default. So new users, not yet fully understanding how
templates works, do not need to learn this as the first thing.
Yes, I think Qubes needs the basic stuff on install. Its a PC-laptop
system. And you're right about very large downloads, this can be a real
burden for some depending on their network situation.
2. IMO we should have Debian easily accessible, because a lot of people
say "I prefer Debian instead of Fedora, so Qubes is not for me". Finding
what other templates are available and how to install them is not so
easy when you see Qubes for the first time... Which is another problem,
but we won't solve it in time for 4.0-rc4.
The configuration changes I'd make are:
* Include fedora-26-minimal for 'dnf' support
* Configure a desktop-oriented debian-9 template and include this
* (Also rename the current debian template as debian-9-minimal, but
don't include it)
OTOH, stating that a dual-layer DVD is required is much simpler, and DL
burners are pretty common.
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