-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 01:43:00AM +0000, Simon Gaiser wrote: > Marek Marczykowski-Górecki: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm building what hopefully will be R4.0-rc4 and I have two > > reflections: > > > > 1. After upgrading templates to fedora-26 and debian-9, there is no way > > the installation image will fit on DVD. Right now it takes 4908384256 > > bytes. We probably could try to cut it down by eliminating even more > > packages from templates, but I think there is no much non-essential > > packages left there. For example we no longer ship vim in debian-9. > > Right now I see two options: > > - abandon the goal of fitting the image on DVD (I'd go for this) > > - exclude some template from default installation... > > OTOH in nearly all cases a user needs to install stuff from the net > anyway. So downloading an additional template doesn't really hurt. And > for example when restoring from a backup no additional templates are > needed at all.
Yes, but downloading 30MB, or even 100MB of packages is different than over half of GB. Slightly unrelated thoughts about what should be on default installation: 1. It is important to keep "basic stuff for average user" installed by default. So new users, not yet fully understanding how templates works, do not need to learn this as the first thing. 2. IMO we should have Debian easily accessible, because a lot of people say "I prefer Debian instead of Fedora, so Qubes is not for me". Finding what other templates are available and how to install them is not so easy when you see Qubes for the first time... Which is another problem, but we won't solve it in time for 4.0-rc4. > > 2. grub suck at booting xen.efi (or rather: xen.efi is rather picky > > about its environment). > > It seems in Xen 4.9 they added multiboot2 support and the commit > messages claims that this works with grub2 and EFI [1] (And according > to [2] that's the proper fix). But the commits don't look easy to > backport ... Ok, so this looks optimistic, for Qubes 4.1. OTOH, XenServer have those patches backported for a long time: https://github.com/xenserver/xen-4.6.pg/blob/master/master/series#L161-L175 This isn't something that I'd like to do this late... > > On many systems, booting xen.efi without grub > > (using rEFInd, EFI shell, or simply by renaming it over BOOTX64.efi) > > helps with boot problems. An idea: do not use grub on UEFI installation. > > Downside: you loose boot menu - no way to choose or not media > > verification, or rescue mode. And no way to adjust boot arguments, > > needed on some platforms to workaround UEFI bugs... > > I think that's quite an important feature. So if this doesn't affect that > many systems I would keep grub. > > > To do that, you'd need to edit EFI/BOOT/xen.cfg using some other > > means. > > Alternative: keep grub there, but provide an instruction how to boot > > xen.efi directly, in short: > > > > mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt # assuming /dev/sdb1 is installation USB > > mv /mnt/EFI/BOOT/xen.efi /mnt/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.efi > > mv /mnt/EFI/BOOT/xen.cfg /mnt/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.cfg > > umount /mnt > > > > After such operation, media verification would fail, obviously. > > [1]: > https://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=commitdiff;h=9180f53655245328f06c5051d3298376cb5771b1 > [2]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen/+bug/1520979/comments/4 - -- Best Regards, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki Invisible Things Lab A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEhrpukzGPukRmQqkK24/THMrX1ywFAlpiqj8ACgkQ24/THMrX 1yw4ywf+JEId4kgGDk4UP5IQCJugOsPTwir/jvrn2uaskDno394ahlaANmNHPTly pN6VZGkA3SVG5jgyIYW+Y9oDwlNLJMKtDfDk0At+HlapgxYt75tZ8wbh42eM/RkR ATVCFVYYNLU+NvlbToKNBVifDAi3vhrG8VIwK29gTYOQ9gZ9vUGFYcj4BOhSyup4 ASMNXKlhT5pseZO/VjCZX/tWRujRR8Ao9UrbLh4DmwUhpc2rr9ghIPDcXo9zuZXy Y3D4sZKUrQryHQLMQiNmqln6zvcEuaQPK2G6mrv2B998t47kslscvmJbc4gDr07R /JS0tIj3gAo8V5LZkQ5bzBAAZMj/MQ== =NOZu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-devel/20180120023231.GP2653%40mail-itl. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
