Turns out UTas are listening, this is an email I received this morning; "hi,
The School of Computing and Information Systems at the University of Tasmania is currently undertaking a full curriculum renewal for implementation in 2014. This is a very exciting opportunity for you to influence the future direction of ICT in Tasmania. For this renewal to be successful we require input from the Tasmanian ICT industry and any industry that has an interest in employing ICT graduates. We held a very successful form on the 26th April and we would like to hold another one to give everyone the opportunity to participate. On the 17th May 10am – 1pm we will be holding an industry forum to seek your advice on the career outcomes for future ICT graduates and the skill set Tasmania will need in future ICT graduates to support the needs and growth of the local industry. There will be a light lunch provided at 1pm. If you would like to attend the forum can you please email Nicole Herbert ( [email protected]) for further details – the forums will be held simultaneously on both the Hobart and Launceston campuses of the University of Tasmania. If you know of someone who would be interested in the forum, please feel free to send this email onto them. We are interested in hearing from everyone who has an interest in ICT graduates." On 27 April 2012 14:50, Leonard <[email protected]> wrote: > I went through a few Sydney based universities went through their > handbooks and tried to figure out what web technologies each university > offers as part of their IT courses and made it into a google spreadsheet so > anyone can correct me if they feel like it. Basically everyone either uses > Java, .NET with UTS using PHP in one of their courses (where they also > teach JSP!) > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiXwL9nLLJg2dE9acHdUMzdvcjlIV21adUl1N0tkakE > > It was rather depressing. Here are a few choice quotes: > > *UNSW* > >> Through a large project, you will get exposure to a number of different >> contexts in which application development is required (e.g. building a Web >> site and accessing a database). The programming language used will be >> object-oriented (e.g. Java). >> > > I find it interesting that building a database-backed website is > considered a large project. > > *UOW* > >> introduce students to User Interface (UI) elements in general and Web >> Forms > > covers the object oriented features of web programming in general and the >> concept of dynamically generated classes from web forms and their web >> controls in particular. Form processing, the interaction of web >> applications through SOAP (Simple Object Model) protocol > > > In case anyone has managed to avoid SOAP: be thankful. > > The more I look at this the more I think technology and web education > needs to improve. I can't find any mention of things like testing or source > control and very little mention of open source at all. I remember that > during my degree at UTS I was the one who introduced SVN to the other > students - but only because I was using ClearCase at work... UOW in > particular must be particularly hated by students with Macbooks being > entirely .NET focused.Lief's comment was particularly insightful. I can't > help but think that having people head to universities to talk about how to > differentiate yourself, or even simply advertising the fact that there are > such thing as real-world programming communities would be both extremely > useful to students and useful for our niche too. > > -- Len > > On Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:58:26 PM UTC+10, Daryl wrote: > >> +1 on educational advocacy. Anyone have an idea what USyd, UTS et al are >> teaching in terms of web development and frameworks these days? >> >> (I know during my UK MSc, java and C++ were the *only* programming >> options and the whole curricula was very, very Microsoft focused. It was >> swimming upstream trying to use php for web projects and/or ruby - hell, >> even a mac for that matter.). >> >> D. >> >> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Leonard >> >>> This is probably wildly off-topic.... >>> >>> Where do we raise issues or suggestions for Ruby Australia in meeting >>> it's core aims? >>> >>> Today @dhh was tweeting that the "Rails job market still is [tight]". >>> One aspect affecting this is the lack of new ruby developers coming in and >>> learning Ruby. I feel that it should be the responsibility of Ruby >>> Australia to encourage Universities and High Schools to teach Ruby as >>> opposed to Java or PHP. I'm not sure about everyone else but my university >>> taught PHP as a web language (and now teaches PHP/Java from what I can >>> tell). I know that if I had been exposed to Ruby (or Python) at university >>> I would have spent much less time faffing around making crappy PHP websites >>> or alternatively being confused and overawed by those "enterprise" Java >>> monstrosities. >>> >>> Has Ruby/Rails education advocacy been discussed as one of the goals of >>> Ruby Australia? Should it be? >>> >>> -- Len >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rails-oceania/-/NY_sEaqjoHcJ. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en.
