I went to Sydney, as you well know:) and first year CS at UNSW is now taught in C, I believe.
mark On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Andrew Grimm <[email protected]>wrote: > You sure you aren't just saying that because UNSW teaches (last time I > heard, anyway) haskell? > > Andrew > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Mark Wotton <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm going to be contrary here and suggest the opposite: whenever > university > > courses try to be "industry-relevant", they're always laughably behind. I > > would far prefer to get out of uni with a reasonable understanding of > > algorithms, operating systems and fundamentals of programming languages > than > > any amount of industry-specific training. > > > > Learning Ruby is just not that hard. > > > > mark > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Leonard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I went through a few Sydney based universities went through their > >> handbooks and tried to figure out what web technologies each university > >> offers as part of their IT courses and made it into a google > spreadsheet so > >> anyone can correct me if they feel like it. Basically everyone either > uses > >> Java, .NET with UTS using PHP in one of their courses (where they also > teach > >> JSP!) > >> > >> > >> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiXwL9nLLJg2dE9acHdUMzdvcjlIV21adUl1N0tkakE > >> > >> It was rather depressing. Here are a few choice quotes: > >> > >> UNSW > >>> > >>> Through a large project, you will get exposure to a number of different > >>> contexts in which application development is required (e.g. building a > Web > >>> site and accessing a database). The programming language used will be > >>> object-oriented (e.g. Java). > >> > >> > >> I find it interesting that building a database-backed website is > >> considered a large project. > >> > >> UOW > >>> > >>> introduce students to User Interface (UI) elements in general and Web > >>> Forms > >>> > >>> covers the object oriented features of web programming in general and > the > >>> concept of dynamically generated classes from web forms and their web > >>> controls in particular. Form processing, the interaction of web > applications > >>> through SOAP (Simple Object Model) protocol > >> > >> > >> In case anyone has managed to avoid SOAP: be thankful. > >> > >> The more I look at this the more I think technology and web education > >> needs to improve. I can't find any mention of things like testing or > source > >> control and very little mention of open source at all. I remember that > >> during my degree at UTS I was the one who introduced SVN to the other > >> students - but only because I was using ClearCase at work... UOW in > >> particular must be particularly hated by students with Macbooks being > >> entirely .NET focused.Lief's comment was particularly insightful. I > can't > >> help but think that having people head to universities to talk about > how to > >> differentiate yourself, or even simply advertising the fact that there > are > >> such thing as real-world programming communities would be both extremely > >> useful to students and useful for our niche too. > >> > >> -- Len > >> > >> On Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:58:26 PM UTC+10, Daryl wrote: > >>> > >>> +1 on educational advocacy. Anyone have an idea what USyd, UTS et al > are > >>> teaching in terms of web development and frameworks these days? > >>> > >>> (I know during my UK MSc, java and C++ were the *only* programming > >>> options and the whole curricula was very, very Microsoft focused. It > was > >>> swimming upstream trying to use php for web projects and/or ruby - > hell, > >>> even a mac for that matter.). > >>> > >>> D. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Leonard > >>>> > >>>> This is probably wildly off-topic.... > >>>> > >>>> Where do we raise issues or suggestions for Ruby Australia in meeting > >>>> it's core aims? > >>>> > >>>> Today @dhh was tweeting that the "Rails job market still is [tight]". > >>>> One aspect affecting this is the lack of new ruby developers coming > in and > >>>> learning Ruby. I feel that it should be the responsibility of Ruby > Australia > >>>> to encourage Universities and High Schools to teach Ruby as opposed > to Java > >>>> or PHP. I'm not sure about everyone else but my university taught PHP > as a > >>>> web language (and now teaches PHP/Java from what I can tell). I know > that if > >>>> I had been exposed to Ruby (or Python) at university I would have > spent much > >>>> less time faffing around making crappy PHP websites or alternatively > being > >>>> confused and overawed by those "enterprise" Java monstrosities. > >>>> > >>>> Has Ruby/Rails education advocacy been discussed as one of the goals > of > >>>> Ruby Australia? Should it be? > >>>> > >>>> -- Len > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rails-oceania/-/NY_sEaqjoHcJ. > >> > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A UNIX signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of a > > black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets surrounding a > > quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who. > > -- Chris Maeda > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > > -- A UNIX signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of a black velvet clown painting. 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