You sure you aren't just saying that because UNSW teaches (last time I heard, anyway) haskell?
Andrew On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Mark Wotton <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm going to be contrary here and suggest the opposite: whenever university > courses try to be "industry-relevant", they're always laughably behind. I > would far prefer to get out of uni with a reasonable understanding of > algorithms, operating systems and fundamentals of programming languages than > any amount of industry-specific training. > > Learning Ruby is just not that hard. > > mark > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Leonard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I went through a few Sydney based universities went through their >> handbooks and tried to figure out what web technologies each university >> offers as part of their IT courses and made it into a google spreadsheet so >> anyone can correct me if they feel like it. Basically everyone either uses >> Java, .NET with UTS using PHP in one of their courses (where they also teach >> JSP!) >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiXwL9nLLJg2dE9acHdUMzdvcjlIV21adUl1N0tkakE >> >> It was rather depressing. Here are a few choice quotes: >> >> UNSW >>> >>> Through a large project, you will get exposure to a number of different >>> contexts in which application development is required (e.g. building a Web >>> site and accessing a database). The programming language used will be >>> object-oriented (e.g. Java). >> >> >> I find it interesting that building a database-backed website is >> considered a large project. >> >> UOW >>> >>> introduce students to User Interface (UI) elements in general and Web >>> Forms >>> >>> covers the object oriented features of web programming in general and the >>> concept of dynamically generated classes from web forms and their web >>> controls in particular. Form processing, the interaction of web applications >>> through SOAP (Simple Object Model) protocol >> >> >> In case anyone has managed to avoid SOAP: be thankful. >> >> The more I look at this the more I think technology and web education >> needs to improve. I can't find any mention of things like testing or source >> control and very little mention of open source at all. I remember that >> during my degree at UTS I was the one who introduced SVN to the other >> students - but only because I was using ClearCase at work... UOW in >> particular must be particularly hated by students with Macbooks being >> entirely .NET focused.Lief's comment was particularly insightful. I can't >> help but think that having people head to universities to talk about how to >> differentiate yourself, or even simply advertising the fact that there are >> such thing as real-world programming communities would be both extremely >> useful to students and useful for our niche too. >> >> -- Len >> >> On Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:58:26 PM UTC+10, Daryl wrote: >>> >>> +1 on educational advocacy. Anyone have an idea what USyd, UTS et al are >>> teaching in terms of web development and frameworks these days? >>> >>> (I know during my UK MSc, java and C++ were the *only* programming >>> options and the whole curricula was very, very Microsoft focused. It was >>> swimming upstream trying to use php for web projects and/or ruby - hell, >>> even a mac for that matter.). >>> >>> D. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Leonard >>>> >>>> This is probably wildly off-topic.... >>>> >>>> Where do we raise issues or suggestions for Ruby Australia in meeting >>>> it's core aims? >>>> >>>> Today @dhh was tweeting that the "Rails job market still is [tight]". >>>> One aspect affecting this is the lack of new ruby developers coming in and >>>> learning Ruby. I feel that it should be the responsibility of Ruby >>>> Australia >>>> to encourage Universities and High Schools to teach Ruby as opposed to Java >>>> or PHP. I'm not sure about everyone else but my university taught PHP as a >>>> web language (and now teaches PHP/Java from what I can tell). I know that >>>> if >>>> I had been exposed to Ruby (or Python) at university I would have spent >>>> much >>>> less time faffing around making crappy PHP websites or alternatively being >>>> confused and overawed by those "enterprise" Java monstrosities. >>>> >>>> Has Ruby/Rails education advocacy been discussed as one of the goals of >>>> Ruby Australia? Should it be? >>>> >>>> -- Len >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rails-oceania/-/NY_sEaqjoHcJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > > > > > -- > A UNIX signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of a > black velvet clown painting. 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