Here's my viewpoint:

1. If Grandpa can't make the boy mind. Should the boy be on the troop
outings in the frist place? Yes, he comes from a abusive home. However,
there comes a time when you need to draw the line. Tell the boy: "if you
can't mind you are NOT going on anymore outtings untell you can mind."

2. IF the boy truely needs whipped Grandpa should do it.
How would you look in court if the judge asked " Why didn't you spank the
kid yourself? He's your grandkid!!"

3 Where was adult leadership when the kid was near the creek?

Later,
Noel "Spirit Rider"Bell

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