Excellent Robert. The Ranger Leaders manual speaks of the teachable (or magic) moment when through a situation it is possible to give the content of 1000 hours of lecture in two or three sentences.
I wonder how many of us as adults would be willing to "obey without question" those in authority over us, as we would expect someone elses child to do to us? My observation, especially in Rangers, is that the number would be very few indeed. Victor. At 05:22 PM 1/10/2001 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I have to agree with Victor. There is nothing wrong in telling someone why >you want it done. However, I myself am guilty sometimes of behaving the >same way with my 11 year old daughter. I sometimes get frustrated with too >many questions and just want to be obeyed. Perhaps that was the situation >here??? We don't know the full story and the entire situation, especially >the time leading up to this event. > >I also think that, as far as the commander was concerned, that a "Teachable >Moment" was lost. The commander could (and maybe should) have taken the boy >aside and in a very calming tone explained that sometimes adults should be >obeyed regardless of how we feel, and that we don't always need to know the >"why". He could have also explained that as adults, we don't always know >the "why" either. That doesn't take away from our responsility to obey >those in authority. The commander could also have used this as a witnessing >opportunity in explaining that God does not always tell us why he wants us >to do something, but just expects us to obey. Obedience leads to >opportunities to see God's hand at work, and as we obey, and as time goes >on, we will come to understand the "why" of the situation. > > >Robert Hamilton >TB Commander >Parker Colorado > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On >Behalf Of Victor Zalakos >Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:12 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [RR] Spank'n the sassy boy.. > > >Isn't it interesting that yet again most posts open ignore the very essence >of a post. > >Duane was talking about the issue of an adult striking of whom he was not >guardian or parent. In many countries this is illegal. This is against the >discipline policy of most (if not all) Ranger groups I know of. It just is >stupid behaviour. It is asking for intervention from governemnt. It is >foolish. > >Even though I know it will open the flood gates of misguided bigotry I >can't help myself asking the question - what is wrong with telling a child >why you want him to do something. > >I certainly know that God didn't bless me with five slaves - but children >to bring up in the way of the Lord. The Jewish tradition (that Jesus was >brought up in) is based on questions and answers. A child asks "Why..." and >the parent or Rabbi explains. This is how knowledge and understanding and >wisdom and plain old "how to live right" is passed on from one generation >to another. > >"Do it now" doesn't teach anything except fear. > >If you can't offer an explanation for why you want something done - then >why ask for it to be done - just to prove you can???? > >There are times when it necessary to give an instruction that needs to be >delivered in a tone and manner that receives an immediate reaponse like >"get back" when a child is in immediate danger. It is in your manner or >delivery that such an instruction will be obeyed automatically. It is on >the basis of the relationship you have developed that all you instructions >will be followed. Remember - respect a better motivation than fear. We are >told to fear the Lord - not our parents or leaders. > >Victor. > > > >At 03:45 PM 1/10/2001 -0700, Ken Komoto wrote: > >This response is patently ridiculous and is exactly why we have so many > >kids who > >do not respond to authority. Since when does any adult have to give a >child a > >reason for any command? This response places the child in the position of > >authority. This is completely upside down from biblical principle which >very > >specifically states that a child should obey and reverses the Royal Ranger > >Code > >which specifies Obedience of those in Authority. God save us from those >who > >would put children in charge of the world!!! > > > >At 07:36 AM 10/2/2001 +1000, Victor Zalakos wrote: > >>The grandfather erred in my judgement by not giving the child a reason > >>for putting on the shoes - "you will cut your feet to shreds on the > >>blackberries" seems appropriate. > >>Perhaps give the instruction and explanation twice, then pick the child > >>up and remove them from the situation and the danger that lay nearby. > >> > >>Victor. > > > >============================================================ > >Kenneth Komoto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Pioneer Commander Outpost 193 Phone: (530)752-7197 > >Southpointe Christian Center Fax : (530)752-0329 > >Sacramento, Ca 95828 > > > >_______ > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > http://rangernet.org Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >_______ > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > http://rangernet.org Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______ To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm http://rangernet.org Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
