Hi Mark! Long time no speak... You're a braver man than I!
Actually I can't ever remember a time that I would have found it necessary to physically discipline a child (if I had the mind to). It has never been an issue for me, although I have had to intervene in some situations when some leaders were simply not getting anywhere, but I think that spoke more about them than the child concerned. Victor. At 05:54 PM 1/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: >All of you are right in one stand or another. The fact of the matter is >there are times and boys that need to listen. There are times when >adults need to not spare the rod. In those times with those children a >time or two I have had the parent and the boy come together before they >are given permission to go on a campout that if he he doesn't mind he >"Will be spanked with his Mother's permission" that has solved any >behaviour problems I have had to deal with at that extreem. > >I wouldn't without permission. > >Mark Jones > > > >On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 07:36:32 +1000 Victor Zalakos ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Good case study Duane. > > > > Anyone who did this in Royal Rangers in NSW would immediately be > > sent home > > from the camp, and would not be welcome at a state event again. It > > would be > > the responsibility of the State Commander to inform the leaders > > Senior > > Pastor of the event. > > > > There is *NO CIRCUMSTANCE* where smacking another persons child on > > camp or > > at Rangers is acceptable - even with permission. Never. Ever. > > > > The grandfather erred in my judgement by not giving the child a > > reason for > > putting on the shoes - "you will cut your feet to shreds on the > > blackberries" seems appropriate. Perhaps give the instruction and > > explanation twice, then pick the child up and remove them from the > > situation and the danger that lay nearby. > > > > Victor. > > > > > > > > > > At 01:20 PM 1/10/2001 -0700, Lump'a Coal wrote: > > > > > > >Here's the situation... > > > > > >"Drew" is a 12 year old from a abusive home of > > >chemical dependent parents, and has been adopted > > >by his Grandparents. > > > > > >He's a member of Troop 328 > > > > > >On the last camp, during the service project, > > >in front of everyone... > > > > > >"Drew" fell in the creek that ran through the blackberry > > >vines we were clearing. The cattle are free to make > > >that creek a muddy mess, and I have no doubt his shoes > > >smelled like cow manure. > > > > > >Even so, he was told to put his wet shoes back on. (1) > > > > > >Drew replied: "But my shoes are wet!" > > > > > >His Grandpa said: (2)"Drew.. put your shoes on, now" > > > > > >Drew replied: "But my shoes are wet" > > > > > >Granpa:(3) "Drew, listen.. put your shoes on" > > > > > >Drew: "No,my shoes are wet!!!" > > > > > >Grandpa:(4) "Drew, there is a reason you must put your shoes on.. > > > Do it now!" > > > > > >Drew:"But my shoes are wet" > > > > > >Grandpa: (5)"Drew, put your shoes on and go back to camp" > > > > > >Drew:"No... my shoes are wet!" > > > > > ) "I'm not asking son, I telling you to PUT ON > > > THOSE SHOES!" > > > > > >At this point--- > > >An "Adult Leader" asked Grandpa if he could help drew > > >understand what he needed to do... > > > > > >Grandpa: "Sure..anything to bring that kid to reason" > > > > > >The "Adult leader" led Drew with his shoes behind a bush > > >and sternly lectured him on listening to authority and > > >respecting his Grandpa, then... *Spanked his butt! > > > > > >*Drew, put his shoes on and ran crying back to camp.... > > > > > >Question- > > >1. In "Line" with what you would do? > > > > > >2.Out of line with your ethics? > > > > > >-=*=- > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > >*High MORALE is the Index of effective Leadership. > > >--------------********+********-------------------- > > >Morale raises belief of the Leader in the follower, > > >of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself, > > >and both in the .....cause! > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Listen to your Yahoo! 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