THats right-God doesn't always explain why we should obey. Its always for our own good. Hey, do know Steve Queen-hes my brother inlaw and lives in Parker. He has horses. Bob Simons
For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [RR] Spank'n the sassy boy.. > I have to agree with Victor. There is nothing wrong in telling someone why > you want it done. However, I myself am guilty sometimes of behaving the > same way with my 11 year old daughter. I sometimes get frustrated with too > many questions and just want to be obeyed. Perhaps that was the situation > here??? We don't know the full story and the entire situation, especially > the time leading up to this event. > > I also think that, as far as the commander was concerned, that a "Teachable > Moment" was lost. The commander could (and maybe should) have taken the boy > aside and in a very calming tone explained that sometimes adults should be > obeyed regardless of how we feel, and that we don't always need to know the > "why". He could have also explained that as adults, we don't always know > the "why" either. That doesn't take away from our responsility to obey > those in authority. The commander could also have used this as a witnessing > opportunity in explaining that God does not always tell us why he wants us > to do something, but just expects us to obey. Obedience leads to > opportunities to see God's hand at work, and as we obey, and as time goes > on, we will come to understand the "why" of the situation. > > > Robert Hamilton > TB Commander > Parker Colorado > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Victor Zalakos > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [RR] Spank'n the sassy boy.. > > > Isn't it interesting that yet again most posts open ignore the very essence > of a post. > > Duane was talking about the issue of an adult striking of whom he was not > guardian or parent. In many countries this is illegal. This is against the > discipline policy of most (if not all) Ranger groups I know of. It just is > stupid behaviour. It is asking for intervention from governemnt. It is > foolish. > > Even though I know it will open the flood gates of misguided bigotry I > can't help myself asking the question - what is wrong with telling a child > why you want him to do something. > > I certainly know that God didn't bless me with five slaves - but children > to bring up in the way of the Lord. The Jewish tradition (that Jesus was > brought up in) is based on questions and answers. A child asks "Why..." and > the parent or Rabbi explains. This is how knowledge and understanding and > wisdom and plain old "how to live right" is passed on from one generation > to another. > > "Do it now" doesn't teach anything except fear. > > If you can't offer an explanation for why you want something done - then > why ask for it to be done - just to prove you can???? > > There are times when it necessary to give an instruction that needs to be > delivered in a tone and manner that receives an immediate reaponse like > "get back" when a child is in immediate danger. It is in your manner or > delivery that such an instruction will be obeyed automatically. It is on > the basis of the relationship you have developed that all you instructions > will be followed. Remember - respect a better motivation than fear. We are > told to fear the Lord - not our parents or leaders. > > Victor. > > > > At 03:45 PM 1/10/2001 -0700, Ken Komoto wrote: > >This response is patently ridiculous and is exactly why we have so many > >kids who > >do not respond to authority. Since when does any adult have to give a > child a > >reason for any command? This response places the child in the position of > >authority. This is completely upside down from biblical principle which > very > >specifically states that a child should obey and reverses the Royal Ranger > >Code > >which specifies Obedience of those in Authority. God save us from those > who > >would put children in charge of the world!!! > > > >At 07:36 AM 10/2/2001 +1000, Victor Zalakos wrote: > >>The grandfather erred in my judgement by not giving the child a reason > >>for putting on the shoes - "you will cut your feet to shreds on the > >>blackberries" seems appropriate. > >>Perhaps give the instruction and explanation twice, then pick the child > >>up and remove them from the situation and the danger that lay nearby. > >> > >>Victor. > > > >============================================================ > >Kenneth Komoto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Pioneer Commander Outpost 193 Phone: (530)752-7197 > >Southpointe Christian Center Fax : (530)752-0329 > >Sacramento, Ca 95828 > > > > _______ > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > http://rangernet.org Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _______ > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > http://rangernet.org Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! 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