--- Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think robbery is a bit much to overlook for a GMA or a Eagle Scout.
Yur friends on the Eagle Board agree, then *reflect.. In "reflection" they asked, *Is it possible that this is a turning point, a moment of truth, a "wake-up call" for DJ? *Then.. if the Court is willing to work out a agreement for DJ.. should the Eagle board turn it's back on an otherwise valid candidate? The board, in a huddle decided that the answer if for DJ to follow through completely.. > A > GMA/Eagle Scout should have a moral charecter very well intact at the > time of his honoring. I personally could not turn my head and overlook > it. No one is turning their head. No one is overlooking it. "Honor" demands that DJ make it right, and present the board with reciepts for the boards, fine and traffic ticket. They suggested a letter from the shop owner, and the Court be presented at the post-poned Eagle board 60 days from now. Not everyone is a GMA not everyone is a Eagle Scout. Make the > standards cheap and you no longer have a GMA or Eagle Scout you only > have a meaningless title that has no merit of measure. *HOLD IT! There already is NO "merit of measure".. Each GMA or Eagle is independent of each other! GMA#3911 was awarded on HIS personal merit by review.. At NO time is one boy compared to another! In BOTH programs a boy earns merits by riseing to the requirement no-more no-less, and the sign-off by "leader" back the integrity of the individual boy, "with Gods help- do his best" My point here is you take each boy as an individual. One GMA might be a Bible wizz-kid another a Camping expert. One Eagle scout may have hiked 300 miles and camped 180 nights, another Eagle may be seated in a wheel chair! *It's about the boy---- > Just because someone earns a GMA or Eagle Scout doesn't mean they are > perfect and will never sin. We all know better than that. But at the > time of review and honor one should be behond reproach. "Beyond reproch" Huh.. I think about that<G> -=A=- > > My two cents are covered by the Blood of Jesus in him I rest. > > Mark Jones > > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:09:29 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So it sounds like every Eagle Scout has to be perfect from the moment > > they turn in the application until after the Eagle is rewarded? > > Guess none should have it then. > > > > Or is one sin/mistake/error worse than another? > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > In a message dated Thu, 10 Jan 2002 6:08:25 PM Eastern Standard > > Time, Air Cooled <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chuck Holman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > If he was a Ranger going for his GMA, would you wait the 90 > > days to see > > > > > what > > > > > happens. > > > > > > > > *No comment on the GMA as I doubt a criminal record check has > > > > even been thought of.. Josh was interviewed for his GMA by 5 > > > > district officials and not once was he questioned about > > anything > > > > "Royal Ranger" or about his outside activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not saying this boy can't change, but it sounds like he > > > > > has > > > > > been in trouble for some time. I don't konw what I would do > > if I were > > > > > on > > > > > the board, but I sure would be having second thoughts. He > > knew going > > > > > into > > > > > the board that an Eagle Scout is suppose to be above Reproach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right.. He knew that.. > > > > > > > > The facts are that when you turn in your Eagle application on > > > > Dec. 30 and things are in order.. No one is allowed to mess > > with > > > > those facts. If like DJ he get's into trouble after that, his > > 21 > > > > merits still are good. The question asked that causes the flap > > is > > > > for the boy to speak of his "liveing the scout oath and law > > daily" > > > > and haveing his parents back him.. They were in tears- > > > > > > > > All that said, Scouts want to be sure to do right by DJ.... > > > > > > > > It's unfortuneate that he stole his Dads car and stole the > > snowboards > > > > but DJ is going to pay the full price for that mistake in > > judgement. > > > > *That mistake of Judgement... is the reason he didn't walk away > > last > > > > night with the Eagle. > > > > > > > > Scouts want to re-cycle the hope in DJ and whitness fairness, > > justice > > > > to DJ, then wait and let DJ prove his good intentions and after > > that- > > > > The Board may or may-not grant the Eagle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > will > > > > > other boards say if he gets his Eagle and then right after > > that gets > > > > > caught. > > > > > > > > They'll say they followed policy to the letter No-more No-less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you watering down the program to help someone to get an > > Eagle Scout > > > > > that don't really deserve it? Well that's only me talking. > > > > > > > > I aint watering down anything.. *I'd flunk him out quick! > > > > > > > > However we are talking about a process that happens in stages > > > > over several months.. DJ or any other Scout may or may-not > > > > "deserve" respect. Respect is earned by right behavior. > > > > > > > > DJ can turn his life around starting right now.. Scouts want > > > > it to go that way.. DJ can go out and raise hell, and the > > result > > > > is that DJ would dis-honor the faith others put in him. > > > > > > > > The Eagle is for DJ to claim.. > > > > > > > > Good post!<G> > > > > -=A=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > > > > Behalf Of Air Cooled > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:05 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: [RR] Eagle Board results- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cdr.Jen reports a brutal 3 hour board with the divorced > > > > > parents of DJ, and many interested parties who have known, > > worked > > > > > with and camped for 7 years with this young man. DJ himself > > showed > > > > > remorse and emotion in line with the seriousness of the > > situation. > > > > > > > > > > DJ convinced the Board he wants the Eagle award.. > > > > > > > > > > First- > > > > > > > > > > DJ for all the "trouble" he's had before.. admits this was > > > > > the most foolish thing he's ever done. He's been caught in > > > > > the past, but never brought to justice. Much of this has > > scared > > > > > him "straight".. > > > > > > > > > > AS *Luck.. and the hand of the Lord would have it.. > > > > > > > > > > Officialy, this is a first offence at 17 turning 18.. > > > > > The court is willing to extend grace if parties can come > > > > > togather and show DJ has enlisted in the armed forces, > > > > > or enrolls in a trade program at a College, and makes > > satifactory > > > > > progress while staying out of trouble. > > > > > > > > > > The BSA Scouts have a 6 point format for awarding Eagle.. > > > > > and DJ's paperwork is in complete order saveing for point > > > > > #2 that states: > > > > > > > > > > "Shows evidence of liveing the Scout Oath and Law in daily > > life" > > > > > > > > > > The Eagle is for DJ, and not to be linked to any other scout. > > > > > > > > > > Those that have signed off on his award cannot go back now > > and > > > > > re-voke their approval. The papers have been filed. The > > process > > > > > go's forward based on precident. > > > > > > > > > > The decision then is to postpone the Eagle board for 2 mo's > > > > > to allow DJ to meet the challenges of the court, and show > > > > > evidence of point #2 by staying out of trouble and serveing > > > > > the troop in some direct function, that does not have DJ > > working > > > > > with the scout boys. The board insisted on that, as > > Scoutmaster > > > > > objected. > > > > > > > > > > Scoutmaster requested, that at the comming Troop Court of > > Honor > > > > > DJ attend but his status would not be mentioned or > > acknoledged. > > > > > > > > > > The Board agreed.. > > > > > > > > > > *IF DJ can stay out of trouble for 60 days, meet the Judges > > > > > requirements, then it is *Possible that the infraction would > > > > > be reduced to allow DJ to not have this on his record as > > Grand > > > > > Thieft.. a Felony. > > > > > > > > > > At that time the Eagle Board could meet and complete the > > process > > > > > up or down. DJ was told that if his Eagle was granted, he > === message truncated === ===== *High MORALE is the Index of effective Leadership. --------------********+********-------------------- Morale raises belief of the Leader in the follower, of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself, and both in the .....cause! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______ This mailing list is dedicated to the glory of God. Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. Offering bucket: http://eBible.org/mpj/partner.htm To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm http://rangernet.org Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
