> I have a problem with the whole foundaion of this argument - that we 
> somehow have a right to use lethal force.
> I wonder how this equates to a new testament mindset.
> I don't see Jesus condoning or using lethal force.
> I see Jesus ordering me to love, to be as one and to turn the other cheek.
> 
> My position is that I would not ever use lethal force. Surely that's a 
> saner position than saying "I will..."
> But that position has not been tested. Who knows under what provication I 
> might.
> 
> Show my how killing lines up with Jesus' teaching in the New Testament?
> 
Each one of us carries the stain of Caine in us. We are all capable of murder. That is 
in 
our human nature, but since we live by the Spirit and not the flesh we no longer bow 
to 
our desires. In light of the New testament, killing can not be justified either by man 
or 
State. 
One fact that Victor forgot is that per capiata, Australia is on par with the US in 
gun 
related deaths and we have some of the stricts gun laws in the world. 99.9% of these 
deaths are from unregistered weapons. 
What I'm trying to say is that even in a society that is not gun crazy the killing 
still 
goes on.
The only hope for man is Jesus.

There's a storm coming, our Storm.
  PROCLAIMING GOD'S LOVE TO A DYING WORLD 
  Say to the captives, 'come out,' and those in darkness, 'Be free!' 
  Isaiah 49:9 
  I looked to the heavens to where God dwells 
  I looked into my life to see he lives there as well.
  Love in Jesus 
  Adrian Bonham 
  Windsor, N.S.W. 
  http://www.summit.net.au/~founder1/


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