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________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt & Olga McSorley Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Trade Papi You'd think. What we're seeing goes far beyond injuries/steroids or anything of that ilk. He just isn't connecting with the baseball. It's a total head-scratcher. It's the hitter's version of Steve Blass Disease. Maybe he should pull a reverse Rick Ankiel and try pitching. -- Matt --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> wrote: From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Trade Papi To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 10:29 AM I'm just at the point I can't fathom what has happened to him. He got healthy (reportedly) and now he is, quite literally, the worst hitting non-pitcher in baseball. That just doesn't happen. I'm at a loss ... he has to rebound, at least to a certain point, doesn't he? Steve o On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: True -- but guys don't become elite ballplayers by giving up. He's going to keep working at it because he believes he can still hit. That's just how these guys are. -- Matt --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Ray Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: From: Ray Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Trade Papi To: [email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=redsoxcitiz...@googlegroup s.com> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 10:16 AM BTW. If he has any pride left he had better keep it in a little jar in his closet. Because going out there and sucking 4 times a day is not a self-esteem builder. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: Except that he'd have to be: a. really hurt b. willing to play along with the ruse I can't imagine a guy with his pride being willing to take a DL stint if he weren't really hurt. -- Matt --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Ray Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: From: Ray Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Trade Papi To: [email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=redsoxcitiz...@googlegroup s.com> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 10:06 AM I'm sure that a nice stint on the disabled list will also serve the purpose of freeing up Papi's spot. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: Is Ortiz a 10/5 guy? That would make any trade talk moot. They're pretty stuck with him until he snaps out of it or they release him. -- Matt --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Tom Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: From: Tom Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Trade Papi To: [email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=redsoxcitiz...@googlegroup s.com> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:45 AM And spare me the chatter about Arroyo's hometown discount. I think he's been overpaid. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: Interesting fact about newly signed free agents. Can't trade them until June 15, according to the CBA. (at least that's what i think i heard the other day.) Penny would be traded before Smoltz. THey're not trading smoltz. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: I'm not giving up either. He's been too good for too long to completely lose it overnight. I think. Though he is looking painfully like Tony Clark that one year ... without the good defense. Steve O On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Lobosco, Angelo <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: I think it's too early to completely throw in the towel on Ortiz. How about bringing Ron Jackson back, just to work with Ortiz? Send the two of them off somewhere for a few weeks and see what happens... ________________________________ From: [email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=redsoxcitiz...@googlegroup s.com> [mailto:[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=redsoxcitiz...@googlegroup s.com> ] On Behalf Of Steve Ouellette Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:23 AM To: [email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=redsoxcitiz...@googlegroup s.com> Subject: Re: Trade Papi Ray, get back to the realm of possibility. There is a zero percent chance that Smoltz will be traded before he gets to the majors and shows he can still pitch. And if he's successful, there's a zero percent chance he's used as a sweetener to take Papi off our hands. If Papi can't shake this, there's a chance that the Sox will eat his contract, but they're not going to pay another team for the privilege. Steve O On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: I wouldn't put too much weight behind "class" as a trade demotivator. Remember Arroyo's hometown discount and subsequent trade. Now THAT was classless. As for Smoltz, who cares if he wanted to be a trade chit. As they told Crash Davis, "You get to come to the ballpark each day and get paid for doing it." On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: There's no way they're going to up and trade Smoltz before he throws a pitch for them, coming off of shoulder surgery. 1) because he doesn't have much value until he shows he can pitch and 2) it's a classless way of handling him -- he didn't agree to come to Boston as a trade chit. Steve O On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: If he means to retire then he should do it, and decrease the surplus population. -- Scrooge Salemi. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Larry Rupp <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: yes but doesn't Papi have a clause to stop a trade? Anyway, if the news has any baring Papi wants to stay put and would rather retire then be traded. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: > Why do you say that? I can see him retiring because nobody wants him, but I > if a trade offer became available I think the org would jump on it. > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Larry Rupp <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> More likely Papi will retire here before the org would trade him. I see >> the FO giving him till the All Star game before putting any real changes >> into place. >> >> Sent from Larry's iPhone >> On Jun 2, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> wrote: >> >> And they'll be trading their >> worst-hitter-in-the-majors-who-can't-play-defense-and-makes-$14-million- next-year >> to who exactly? >> >> Steve O >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected] <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote: >>> >>> Now that Smolz is coming back it's time to package him up with Papi and >>> send them on his way. 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