I'm just at the point I can't fathom what has happened to him. He got healthy (reportedly) and now he is, quite literally, the worst hitting non-pitcher in baseball. That just doesn't happen. I'm at a loss ... he has to rebound, at least to a certain point, doesn't he?
Steve o On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]>wrote: > True -- but guys don't become elite ballplayers by giving up. He's going to > keep working at it because he believes he can still hit. That's just how > these guys are. > > -- Matt > > --- On *Tue, 6/2/09, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Trade Papi > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 10:16 AM > > > BTW. If he has any pride left he had better keep it in a little jar in his > closet. > Because going out there and sucking 4 times a day is not a self-esteem > builder. > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < > [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> Except that he'd have to be: >> >> a. really hurt >> b. willing to play along with the ruse >> >> I can't imagine a guy with his pride being willing to take a DL stint if >> he weren't really hurt. >> >> -- Matt >> >> --- On *Tue, 6/2/09, Ray Salemi >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Ray Salemi >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> >> Subject: Re: Trade Papi >> To: >> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 10:06 AM >> >> >> I'm sure that a nice stint on the disabled list will also serve the >> purpose of freeing up Papi's spot. >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >>> Is Ortiz a 10/5 guy? That would make any trade talk moot. They're >>> pretty stuck with him until he snaps out of it or they release him. >>> >>> -- Matt >>> >>> --- On *Tue, 6/2/09, Tom Salemi >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Tom Salemi >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: Trade Papi >>> To: >>> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:45 AM >>> >>> >>> And spare me the chatter about Arroyo's hometown discount. I think he's >>> been overpaid. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Tom Salemi >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting fact about newly signed free agents. Can't trade them until >>>> June 15, according to the CBA. (at least that's what i think i heard the >>>> other day.) >>>> >>>> Penny would be traded before Smoltz. THey're not trading smoltz. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steve Ouellette < >>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not giving up either. He's been too good for too long to completely >>>>> lose it overnight. I think. >>>>> >>>>> Though he is looking painfully like Tony Clark that one year ... >>>>> without the good defense. >>>>> >>>>> Steve O >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Lobosco, Angelo < >>>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think it’s too early to completely throw in the towel on Ortiz. >>>>>> How about bringing Ron Jackson back, just to work with Ortiz? Send the >>>>>> two >>>>>> of them off somewhere for a few weeks and see what happens... >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* >>>>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>[mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>] >>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:23 AM >>>>>> *To:* >>>>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Trade Papi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ray, get back to the realm of possibility. There is a zero percent >>>>>> chance that Smoltz will be traded before he gets to the majors and shows >>>>>> he >>>>>> can still pitch. And if he's successful, there's a zero percent chance >>>>>> he's >>>>>> used as a sweetener to take Papi off our hands. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Papi can't shake this, there's a chance that the Sox will eat his >>>>>> contract, but they're not going to pay another team for the privilege. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve O >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Ray Salemi >>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I wouldn't put too much weight behind "class" as a trade demotivator. >>>>>> >>>>>> Remember Arroyo's hometown discount and subsequent trade. Now THAT >>>>>> was classless. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for Smoltz, who cares if he wanted to be a trade chit. As they >>>>>> told Crash Davis, "You get to come to the ballpark each day and get paid >>>>>> for >>>>>> doing it." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Steve Ouellette < >>>>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> There's no way they're going to up and trade Smoltz before he throws a >>>>>> pitch for them, coming off of shoulder surgery. 1) because he doesn't >>>>>> have >>>>>> much value until he shows he can pitch and 2) it's a classless way of >>>>>> handling him -- he didn't agree to come to Boston as a trade chit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve O >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Ray Salemi >>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> If he means to retire then he should do it, and decrease the surplus >>>>>> population. -- Scrooge Salemi. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Larry Rupp >>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> yes but doesn't Papi have a clause to stop a trade? Anyway, if the >>>>>> news has any baring Papi wants to stay put and would rather retire >>>>>> then be traded. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Ray Salemi >>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > Why do you say that? I can see him retiring because nobody wants >>>>>> him, but I >>>>>> > if a trade offer became available I think the org would jump on it. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Larry Rupp >>>>>> > <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> More likely Papi will retire here before the org would trade him. >>>>>> I see >>>>>> >> the FO giving him till the All Star game before putting any real >>>>>> changes >>>>>> >> into place. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Sent from Larry's iPhone >>>>>> >> On Jun 2, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Steve Ouellette < >>>>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> And they'll be trading their >>>>>> >> >>>>>> worst-hitter-in-the-majors-who-can't-play-defense-and-makes-$14-million-next-year >>>>>> >> to who exactly? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Steve O >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Ray Salemi >>>>>> >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Now that Smolz is coming back it's time to package him up with >>>>>> Papi and >>>>>> >>> send them on his way. The Sox need a real DH and getting rid of >>>>>> Ortiz will >>>>>> >>> make room for that to happen. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>> >>> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >>>>>> >>> www.fpgasimulation.com >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >>>>>> > www.fpgasimulation.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >>>>>> www.fpgasimulation.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >>> www.fpgasimulation.com >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" > www.fpgasimulation.com > > > > > > > > > -- > Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" > www.fpgasimulation.com > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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