Okay, I've switched. Really great numbers. Tough era to hit in. And as a catcher on top of it all. 11 years w/ RedSox. Left, as I remember, because the mgt didn't think he had many years left and he didn't get a good offer.
So, I'm okay with it all. I don't like glory hounds, but I haven't seen any proof of what Ray claims. AND ... He's from NE (NH). Homegrowns always gte preferential treatment. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sat Mar 13 14:52:06 2010 Subject: Re: Fisk And oddly enough, Boggs's number is retired in Tampa On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > I do remember the Boggs incident. > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Yeah, but it was because of Boggs, at least according to Wiki ... though I >> guess Fisk could be the rumored "number retirement" offer. >> >> "Before his retirement, Boggs was plagued by newspaper reports that the >> expansion Devil Rays gave him financial compensation in return for selecting >> a Devil Rays cap for his plaque at the Baseball Hall of Fame, though he has >> denied that any such condition was part of his contract.[12] In light of >> those reports (and other rumors that teams were offering number retirement, >> money, or organizational jobs in exchange for the cap designation) the Hall >> decided in 2001 to change its practice of deferring to players' wishes >> regarding cap logo selection, and reinforced the Hall's authority to >> determine with which cap the player would be depicted. Boggs is wearing a >> Boston cap on his plaque." >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Actually I think that was the last year the players chose. >>> I'm pretty sure the HOF started deciding in 2001. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Steve Ouellette >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure the Hall of Fame took the right to choose away when Wade >>>> Boggs was planning to sell his bronze likeness to the Devil Rays for cash, >>>> not when Fisk decided to go in wearing the cap of the team with which he is >>>> most associated. But don't let me stop a good rant ... >>>> >>>> Steve O >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Fisk made a deal that if they retired his number, that he would put a >>>>> Red Sox logo on his hat in the Hall. For some reason this was >>>>> important enough to the Sox that they retired his obscure and >>>>> forgotten number. >>>>> >>>>> The Hall took away a player's ability to pick his hat after this deal >>>>> was done. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Steve Ouellette >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > What I don't understand is the blame you're assigning to Fisk. Did he >>>>> > twist >>>>> > somebody's arm and use some unseen leverage to force his number up >>>>> > onto the >>>>> > wall? How is anything his fault ... other than leaving the Red Sox >>>>> > because >>>>> > Haywood Sullivan and company screwed up his contract? >>>>> > >>>>> > I have more trouble with retiring Johnny Pesky's number than Fisk's >>>>> > ... >>>>> > >>>>> > Steve O >>>>> > >>>>> > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Here's the thing. We retire numbers in situations where nobody else >>>>> >> could credibly wear the number. Who is going to wear 8 or 9 now? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 27? Easily worn by another. Tek could have had it for all I care. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The kind of acknowledgement that Fisk negotiated for should not have >>>>> >> been for sale. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 3/13/10, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> > The more I read, the more I can see the argument. 11 seasons with >>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> > RED >>>>> >> > Sox is a career in itself. And with those numbers in that >>>>> >> > timeframe at >>>>> >> > that >>>>> >> > position, I can see the argument. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I don't remember that he "bolted". I remember that the RED Sox >>>>> >> > lost a >>>>> >> > little confidence in his ability to come back and play many more >>>>> >> > seasons >>>>> >> > with the injury that he had. People thought he was done. I think >>>>> >> > it >>>>> >> > was >>>>> >> > the shoulder. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > John >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >> > From: [email protected] >>>>> >> > <[email protected]> >>>>> >> > To: [email protected] >>>>> >> > <[email protected]> >>>>> >> > Sent: Sat Mar 13 05:15:23 2010 >>>>> >> > Subject: Re: Fisk >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Steroids aside. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> >> All I've said is, I don't like seeing his number up there because >>>>> >> >> he >>>>> >> >> bolted on the Sox and played elsewhere for most of his career. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I'd rather see Wade Bogg's number up there than Fisk's. Putting >>>>> >> >> Fisk's number up there is like the Red Sox retiring Roger >>>>> >> >> Clemens's >>>>> >> >> number. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley >>>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> OK, that's just ccomplete nonsense. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Fisk caught more games than any other catcher. He's second >>>>> >> >>> all-time >>>>> >> >>> among >>>>> >> >>> catchers in home runs and first in hits and runs scored. He's >>>>> >> >>> one of >>>>> >> >>> the >>>>> >> >>> best catchers in baseball history without question and was more >>>>> >> >>> than >>>>> >> >>> worthy >>>>> >> >>> of his Hall of Fame induction. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> ________________________________ >>>>> >> >>> From: "Beaudoin, John" <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >> >>> Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 10:39:13 PM >>>>> >> >>> Subject: Re: Fisk >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I don't get it. >>>>> >> >>> No one is saying Tek deserves his number retired, HoF >>>>> >> >>> consideration, >>>>> >> >>> or >>>>> >> >>> that >>>>> >> >>> he compares favorably to Fisk. Not sure what the point is. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> It's just that he played 24 years and only 11 with the Red type >>>>> >> >>> of >>>>> >> >>> Sox. >>>>> >> >>> His >>>>> >> >>> numbers don't warrant number retirement or HofF. >>>>> >> >>> ________________________________ >>>>> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>>>> >> >>> <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >> >>> <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>> Sent: Fri Mar 12 19:08:10 2010 >>>>> >> >>> Subject: Fisk >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Fisk played 24 years. >>>>> >> >>> That is not a trivial task. >>>>> >> >>> He's 3rd on the list of games played after age 43 (non pitchers) >>>>> >> >>> Only Pete Rose (2nd) and God place his soul Julio Franco (1st) >>>>> >> >>> are >>>>> >> >>> ahead >>>>> >> >>> of >>>>> >> >>> him. >>>>> >> >>> Fisk played 11 seasons for the Red Sox. Varatek has 13. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Fisk's numbers (For just Boston) >>>>> >> >>> BA OBP SLG >>>>> >> >>> 284/356/581 162 HRs 7 All Star Appearances Rookie of the >>>>> >> >>> Year 1 >>>>> >> >>> Gold >>>>> >> >>> Glove >>>>> >> >>> vs >>>>> >> >>> Varitek's >>>>> >> >>> 259/344/435 175 HRs 3 All Star Appearances 1 Gold Glove >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Let the debate begin again >>>>> >> >>> I'm so eveil >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> >> >>> Google >>>>> >> >>> Groups >>>>> >> >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>> >> >>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> >> >>> [email protected]. >>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> >> >>> [email protected]. >>>>> >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> >> >>> 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