John, Would you have remembered Fisk's number the year before it was retired?
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, I've switched. > Really great numbers. > Tough era to hit in. > And as a catcher on top of it all. > 11 years w/ RedSox. > Left, as I remember, because the mgt didn't think he had many years left and > he didn't get a good offer. > > So, I'm okay with it all. > > I don't like glory hounds, but I haven't seen any proof of what Ray claims. > > AND ... He's from NE (NH). Homegrowns always gte preferential treatment. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat Mar 13 14:52:06 2010 > Subject: Re: Fisk > > And oddly enough, Boggs's number is retired in Tampa > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> I do remember the Boggs incident. >> >> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, but it was because of Boggs, at least according to Wiki ... though >>> I >>> guess Fisk could be the rumored "number retirement" offer. >>> >>> "Before his retirement, Boggs was plagued by newspaper reports that the >>> expansion Devil Rays gave him financial compensation in return for >>> selecting >>> a Devil Rays cap for his plaque at the Baseball Hall of Fame, though he >>> has >>> denied that any such condition was part of his contract.[12] In light of >>> those reports (and other rumors that teams were offering number >>> retirement, >>> money, or organizational jobs in exchange for the cap designation) the >>> Hall >>> decided in 2001 to change its practice of deferring to players' wishes >>> regarding cap logo selection, and reinforced the Hall's authority to >>> determine with which cap the player would be depicted. Boggs is wearing a >>> Boston cap on his plaque." >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Actually I think that was the last year the players chose. >>>> I'm pretty sure the HOF started deciding in 2001. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Steve Ouellette >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure the Hall of Fame took the right to choose away when >>>>> Wade >>>>> Boggs was planning to sell his bronze likeness to the Devil Rays for >>>>> cash, >>>>> not when Fisk decided to go in wearing the cap of the team with which >>>>> he is >>>>> most associated. But don't let me stop a good rant ... >>>>> >>>>> Steve O >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Fisk made a deal that if they retired his number, that he would put a >>>>>> Red Sox logo on his hat in the Hall. For some reason this was >>>>>> important enough to the Sox that they retired his obscure and >>>>>> forgotten number. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Hall took away a player's ability to pick his hat after this deal >>>>>> was done. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Steve Ouellette >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > What I don't understand is the blame you're assigning to Fisk. Did >>>>>> > he >>>>>> > twist >>>>>> > somebody's arm and use some unseen leverage to force his number up >>>>>> > onto the >>>>>> > wall? How is anything his fault ... other than leaving the Red Sox >>>>>> > because >>>>>> > Haywood Sullivan and company screwed up his contract? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I have more trouble with retiring Johnny Pesky's number than Fisk's >>>>>> > ... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Steve O >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Here's the thing. We retire numbers in situations where nobody else >>>>>> >> could credibly wear the number. Who is going to wear 8 or 9 now? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 27? Easily worn by another. Tek could have had it for all I care. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> The kind of acknowledgement that Fisk negotiated for should not >>>>>> >> have >>>>>> >> been for sale. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On 3/13/10, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> > The more I read, the more I can see the argument. 11 seasons >>>>>> >> > with >>>>>> >> > the >>>>>> >> > RED >>>>>> >> > Sox is a career in itself. And with those numbers in that >>>>>> >> > timeframe at >>>>>> >> > that >>>>>> >> > position, I can see the argument. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > I don't remember that he "bolted". I remember that the RED Sox >>>>>> >> > lost a >>>>>> >> > little confidence in his ability to come back and play many more >>>>>> >> > seasons >>>>>> >> > with the injury that he had. People thought he was done. I >>>>>> >> > think >>>>>> >> > it >>>>>> >> > was >>>>>> >> > the shoulder. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > John >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >> > From: [email protected] >>>>>> >> > <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> > To: [email protected] >>>>>> >> > <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> > Sent: Sat Mar 13 05:15:23 2010 >>>>>> >> > Subject: Re: Fisk >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > Steroids aside. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>>> >> >> All I've said is, I don't like seeing his number up there >>>>>> >> >> because >>>>>> >> >> he >>>>>> >> >> bolted on the Sox and played elsewhere for most of his career. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I'd rather see Wade Bogg's number up there than Fisk's. Putting >>>>>> >> >> Fisk's number up there is like the Red Sox retiring Roger >>>>>> >> >> Clemens's >>>>>> >> >> number. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley >>>>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>> OK, that's just ccomplete nonsense. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Fisk caught more games than any other catcher. He's second >>>>>> >> >>> all-time >>>>>> >> >>> among >>>>>> >> >>> catchers in home runs and first in hits and runs scored. He's >>>>>> >> >>> one of >>>>>> >> >>> the >>>>>> >> >>> best catchers in baseball history without question and was more >>>>>> >> >>> than >>>>>> >> >>> worthy >>>>>> >> >>> of his Hall of Fame induction. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >> >>> From: "Beaudoin, John" <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> >>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> >> >>> Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 10:39:13 PM >>>>>> >> >>> Subject: Re: Fisk >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> I don't get it. >>>>>> >> >>> No one is saying Tek deserves his number retired, HoF >>>>>> >> >>> consideration, >>>>>> >> >>> or >>>>>> >> >>> that >>>>>> >> >>> he compares favorably to Fisk. Not sure what the point is. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> It's just that he played 24 years and only 11 with the Red type >>>>>> >> >>> of >>>>>> >> >>> Sox. >>>>>> >> >>> His >>>>>> >> >>> numbers don't warrant number retirement or HofF. >>>>>> >> >>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> >> >>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> >>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> >> >>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> >>> Sent: Fri Mar 12 19:08:10 2010 >>>>>> >> >>> Subject: Fisk >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Fisk played 24 years. >>>>>> >> >>> That is not a trivial task. >>>>>> >> >>> He's 3rd on the list of games played after age 43 (non >>>>>> >> >>> pitchers) >>>>>> >> >>> Only Pete Rose (2nd) and God place his soul Julio Franco (1st) >>>>>> >> >>> are >>>>>> >> >>> ahead >>>>>> >> >>> of >>>>>> >> >>> him. >>>>>> >> >>> Fisk played 11 seasons for the Red Sox. Varatek has 13. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Fisk's numbers (For just Boston) >>>>>> >> >>> BA OBP SLG >>>>>> >> >>> 284/356/581 162 HRs 7 All Star Appearances Rookie of the >>>>>> >> >>> Year 1 >>>>>> >> >>> Gold >>>>>> >> >>> Glove >>>>>> >> >>> vs >>>>>> >> >>> Varitek's >>>>>> >> >>> 259/344/435 175 HRs 3 All Star Appearances 1 Gold Glove >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Let the debate begin again >>>>>> >> >>> I'm so eveil >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>>> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>> >> >>> Google >>>>>> >> >>> Groups >>>>>> >> >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>> >> >>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> >> >>> [email protected]. >>>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> >> >>> [email protected]. >>>>>> >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> -- >>>>>> >> >>> You received this message because you are 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