I do remember the Boggs incident. On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>wrote:
> Yeah, but it was because of Boggs, at least according to Wiki ... though I > guess Fisk could be the rumored "number retirement" offer. > > "Before his retirement, Boggs was plagued by newspaper reports that the > expansion Devil Rays gave him financial compensation in return for selecting > a Devil Rays cap for his plaque at the Baseball Hall of > Fame<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Baseball_Hall_of_Fame_and_Museum>, > though he has denied that any such condition was part of his > contract.[12]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Boggs#cite_note-11>In light > of those reports (and other rumors that teams were offering number > retirement, money, or organizational jobs in exchange for the cap > designation) the Hall decided in 2001 to change its practice of deferring to > players' wishes regarding cap logo selection, and reinforced the Hall's > authority to determine with which cap the player would be depicted. Boggs is > wearing a Boston cap on his plaque." > > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Actually I think that was the last year the players chose. >> >> I'm pretty sure the HOF started deciding in 2001. >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> I'm pretty sure the Hall of Fame took the right to choose away when Wade >>> Boggs was planning to sell his bronze likeness to the Devil Rays for cash, >>> not when Fisk decided to go in wearing the cap of the team with which he is >>> most associated. But don't let me stop a good rant ... >>> >>> Steve O >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Fisk made a deal that if they retired his number, that he would put a >>>> Red Sox logo on his hat in the Hall. For some reason this was >>>> important enough to the Sox that they retired his obscure and >>>> forgotten number. >>>> >>>> The Hall took away a player's ability to pick his hat after this deal >>>> was done. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Steve Ouellette >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > What I don't understand is the blame you're assigning to Fisk. Did he >>>> twist >>>> > somebody's arm and use some unseen leverage to force his number up >>>> onto the >>>> > wall? How is anything his fault ... other than leaving the Red Sox >>>> because >>>> > Haywood Sullivan and company screwed up his contract? >>>> > >>>> > I have more trouble with retiring Johnny Pesky's number than Fisk's >>>> ... >>>> > >>>> > Steve O >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Here's the thing. We retire numbers in situations where nobody else >>>> >> could credibly wear the number. Who is going to wear 8 or 9 now? >>>> >> >>>> >> 27? Easily worn by another. Tek could have had it for all I care. >>>> >> >>>> >> The kind of acknowledgement that Fisk negotiated for should not have >>>> >> been for sale. >>>> >> >>>> >> On 3/13/10, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> > The more I read, the more I can see the argument. 11 seasons with >>>> the >>>> >> > RED >>>> >> > Sox is a career in itself. And with those numbers in that >>>> timeframe at >>>> >> > that >>>> >> > position, I can see the argument. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I don't remember that he "bolted". I remember that the RED Sox >>>> lost a >>>> >> > little confidence in his ability to come back and play many more >>>> seasons >>>> >> > with the injury that he had. People thought he was done. I think >>>> it >>>> >> > was >>>> >> > the shoulder. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > John >>>> >> > >>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> > From: [email protected] < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> > To: [email protected] < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> > Sent: Sat Mar 13 05:15:23 2010 >>>> >> > Subject: Re: Fisk >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Steroids aside. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >> All I've said is, I don't like seeing his number up there because >>>> he >>>> >> >> bolted on the Sox and played elsewhere for most of his career. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I'd rather see Wade Bogg's number up there than Fisk's. Putting >>>> >> >> Fisk's number up there is like the Red Sox retiring Roger >>>> Clemens's >>>> >> >> number. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley >>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>> OK, that's just ccomplete nonsense. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Fisk caught more games than any other catcher. He's second >>>> all-time >>>> >> >>> among >>>> >> >>> catchers in home runs and first in hits and runs scored. He's one >>>> of >>>> >> >>> the >>>> >> >>> best catchers in baseball history without question and was more >>>> than >>>> >> >>> worthy >>>> >> >>> of his Hall of Fame induction. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> ________________________________ >>>> >> >>> From: "Beaudoin, John" <[email protected]> >>>> >> >>> To: [email protected] >>>> >> >>> Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 10:39:13 PM >>>> >> >>> Subject: Re: Fisk >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I don't get it. >>>> >> >>> No one is saying Tek deserves his number retired, HoF >>>> consideration, >>>> >> >>> or >>>> >> >>> that >>>> >> >>> he compares favorably to Fisk. Not sure what the point is. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> It's just that he played 24 years and only 11 with the Red type >>>> of >>>> >> >>> Sox. >>>> >> >>> His >>>> >> >>> numbers don't warrant number retirement or HofF. >>>> >> >>> ________________________________ >>>> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>>> >> >>> <[email protected]> >>>> >> >>> To: [email protected] < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> >>> Sent: Fri Mar 12 19:08:10 2010 >>>> >> >>> Subject: Fisk >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Fisk played 24 years. >>>> >> >>> That is not a trivial task. >>>> >> >>> He's 3rd on the list of games played after age 43 (non pitchers) >>>> >> >>> Only Pete Rose (2nd) and God place his soul Julio Franco (1st) >>>> are >>>> >> >>> ahead >>>> >> >>> of >>>> >> >>> him. >>>> >> >>> Fisk played 11 seasons for the Red Sox. Varatek has 13. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Fisk's numbers (For just Boston) >>>> >> >>> BA OBP SLG >>>> >> >>> 284/356/581 162 HRs 7 All Star Appearances Rookie of the >>>> Year 1 >>>> >> >>> Gold >>>> >> >>> Glove >>>> >> >>> vs >>>> >> >>> Varitek's >>>> >> >>> 259/344/435 175 HRs 3 All Star Appearances 1 Gold Glove >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Let the debate begin again >>>> >> >>> I'm so eveil >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -- >>>> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> >> >>> Groups >>>> >> >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> >> >>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >> >>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -- >>>> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> >> >>> 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