ok, first, i filed a bug i haven't myself verified. so if anything in the bug is erroneous, or if any data needs added / clarified, please do so:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9870 on to this: Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > >the caveat would be if you wanted SC to know something was a comp that > >also had an Album Artist defined. i haven't felt that need yet, but > i > >might one day. > > > I don't think there should ever be a case of an album having both album > artist and compilation. what if i wanted SC to know something was a compilation? the only way i can do that with album artist data being read in the tag, is to set an explicit comp=1 tag. i can't simply choose to disable 8001 b/c if i do, some things i DON'T want the automatic (and goofy) VA logic to detect as comps will be. and i don't want to have to add comp=0 tags just to over-ride that. also, my library is used by used by more than just SC. TPE2 allows me to consistently organize my music across almost any app, including now SC thanks to 8001. but that doesn't mean i wouldn't want to identify to SC some albums as comps. i don't currently, but i might want to go to the effort one day. and again, other apps also use that info. Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > And, because of the apparent bug, it wouldn't work anyway. Compilation > tag seems to take precidence over album artist. Personally, I think > the precidence should be the other way round, in that SC guesses when > an album is a compilation, but never guesses album artist. i think it should read and store both equally. why should some data be more important than other data? the debate should be over what SC does with it once its in the DB, and i would say that should be a user option. so in other words, ALL tags are scanned in, and then the user says treat tpe2 as album artist (or not) and ignore/don't ignore comp tags. that way the user can decide, as it should be. btw, my understanding was that comp=1 took precedence over ALBUMARTIST even if that data was in the DB. the bug may then only apply to comp=0 i guess we'll find out when the bug gets addressed. Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > I don't think there's ever the need to set a compilation tag, and the > prescence of one can stop album artist tags from working. well, what if i want SC to know something i have with TPE2 data IS a comp? and the second part is a bug that needs fixed. i still question the scope of it, and i would like someone to verify it beyond the one guy? ...in this thread. not saying it isn't there, but i'd like to know what exactly we're dealing with here. Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > That was the main point of this sub-thread; the rest of this mail is > small clarifications/corrections in terminology. > > >> Not strictly correct, which may confuse people, but I know what you > >> mean. You use TPE2 to get Album Artist info in the SqueezeCenter > >> library. From thereon (eg. when discussing browsing the library), > you > >> should discuss it as Album Artist. > > > >not "strictly correct"? its correct enough. i don't know why anyone > >would have been confused. > > > >i don't see any issue with how i put it, but if specifically > clarifying > >that TPE2 can be read into SC as album artist helps anyone, kool. > > > My point is that the Scanner is used to read tags into the library, and > then SC uses the library content. SqueezeCenter library doesn't store > TPE2 in its library, it stores contributor roles, and TPE2 is stored as > Band or can be stored Album Artist. Therefore it is confusing to say SC > sorts by TPE2, especially for libraries consisting of songs in different > media formats, as TPE2 only has meaning for mp3 files. its a given. i didn't see the need to do this, but feel free. Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > > >SC does not group/sort by TPE2. > > > >i was with you until the last sentence! you seemingly contradict > >yourself. thats [the last sentence] exactly what it does, IF the > >option (8001) is enabled. > > > SC didn't sort/group by TPE2 before enhancement 8001, and it still > doesn't. Enhancement 8001 introduced a mechanism in the scanner for > getting TPE2 to be stored as Album Artist. SC has always correctly > sorted/grouped by Album Artist. TPE2 is not mentioned or used anywhere > in SC, other than in the scanner. It's an important distinction to > make. you are incorect. here is the text of the option, explicitly laid out in SC settings: > "Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Band > Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Album Artist" and here is the text of the infobox: > "The MP3 tag format does not provide a standard way of defining an Album > Artist. Some MP3 tagging tools use the TPE2 field for Album Artist > (iTunes, Winamp, Windows Media Player) while others may use it for the > intended meaning of "Band/orchestra". Select the meaning you would like > SqueezeCenter to use. Changing this setting will start a rescan of your > music library." and besides all that, it isn't necessary in these discussions to constantly make clear that SC is translating tags into fields in its db library that it then actually uses to do what it does. its all a given. yes, some poor newbie is going to be confused at first, but i don't always feel the need to write my posts in such a way that they cater to newbies. if one has a question, i assume they'll ask, and i'll happily clarify it for them at that time. jmo. Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > > >> The scanner doesn't need to read a Compilation tag if an album > artist > >> is defined (either Album Artist, or TPE2). > > > >this is where all things get murky b/c SC/slim never makes clear how > >things are supposed to work. > > > True. More documentation (or definitive wiki information) would be > useful. > > >my understanding is that if comp tags are present, SC will read them, > >and store them, regardless of if it finds data for album artist or > not. > >i guess thats different from your understanding. clearly, slim is > >unclear on this. > > > The problem is that album artist and compilation are mutually > exclusive; a decision needs to be made if an album is a compilation > (various performing artists with no album artist) or an album (all > performing artists the same or has an album artist). An album can't be > both - it's meaningless. i need OTHER apps to work. so i need TPE2 defined for all albums. i can't just leave TPE2 undefined, and another problem is that just ONE TPE1 mismatch results in a compilation if TPE2 is undefined. however, if i want SC to know something with TPE2 is a comp, i can't, unless it reads and respects the comp=1 tag. how else could i get SC to recognize a TPE2'd album as a comp? i couldn't. Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > I believe there was a post in the past about the actual order that the > scanner processes tags (someone read the code). > > I think that the scanner reads the compilation tag first and doesn't > set album artist and track artist contributor roles if it finds a > compilation tag. That seems to tie in with InTheBath's problem, as his > album artist tags were being ignored (had artist roles reported for the > songs and not track artists). He has subsequently removed > COMPILATION=0 and everything is working. thats a really dopey bug, esp since comp=0 means it the files probably NEED the TPE2 data. Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > I think that album artist tags should be detected first by the scanner. > If there is a consistent artist for every song on the album (or album > artist for each song), the album can't be a compilation. not true. i put "Various Artists" "Original Soundtrack" and other info in TPE2, which as i've showed you, is what Gracenote does as well. again, this is the defacto standard of mainstream apps, like it or not. so all my TPE2 data on "revenge of the nerds" is "Original Soundtrack" but it is STILL a comp. so i say again, SC should read ALL data, store ALL data, and allow the user to determine how TPE2 should be employed, and if comp tags should be enabled or not. Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > As long as songs are tagged correctly to not have both an album artist > or a compilation, the results should be fine. not a viable solution if SC is to work with other apps. Philip Meyer;355593 Wrote: > > >> So, to sum it up, if you need album artist on an album, apply the > same > >> album artist value to every song on the album. > > > >and what made you think i didn't know that? > > > It wasn't specifically aimed at you - it was general information for > anyone who may read this thread. > > Maybe I wasn't being clear enough though. I've had issues myself with > this in the past. I only add album artist tags when an album needs it > (there's no point going through the other 99.9% of my collection adding > album artist tags when it's not necessary). thats cool for you, but that would not work for me. i use other apps besides SC. mainstream ones. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.3b - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53822 _______________________________________________ ripping mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
