On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > Hi, >> >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Rsyslog has been on git for a long time, creating additional repos on >>> github is the only new thing. >>> >>> >> Sounds like there was/is confusion about git vs. github. >> >> >> what is it about github that makes it especially collaborative compared >>> to >>> 'just' git? everything I see is just exposing the capabilities fo git >>> and a >>> repo on github is not special in any way from any technical point of >>> view, >>> it's just visible on the github website with the fork button rather than >>> someone having to type git clone manually. >>> >>> >> This must have been written up N times before, but I won't google now. >> It's not only about Git and not only about forking. It's about being able >> to create a PR easily, about seeing a PR (pull request) and the diff >> easily, about cross-linking it with issues, about being able to comment on >> everything, about being able to review the code before it gets committed, >> about being able to click on a file and edit it in place and commit, about >> ......... >> > > creating a pull request is easy with plain git, and a pull request created > with github doesn't need to be processed on github, it can be processed on > git. > > cross-linking on issues would require that we abandon the existing > (searchable and archived) mailing lists, forums, etc in favor of ones that > are dependant on github. > > Personally, I'm very much in favor of projects running their own > infrastructure. Things happen to companies and things that they provide for > free now may not be available for free later. Tieing your projects success > to some company like that that has no direct interest in the success of > your individual project is not a great plan. > > > The Linux kernel is very collabrative, but it doesn't use github (and in >>> fact pulls from github are frowned upon, at least at the upper levels due >>> to trust concerns) >>> >> >> >> I don't follow Linux kernel dev, but aren't they on bitbucket? I don't >> know... >> Funny "linux kernel repo" query shows https://github.com/torvalds/linuxas >> #2 hit. >> > > the linux kernel project does not use bitbucket as far as I know. They run > their own servers. > > Actually, git was written by Linus. He did so after the problem you described above happend: bitbucket wanted to begin charging kernel developers... AFAIK Linus intentionally designed something that did not require a central server infrastructure.
the github repo you found is a secondary repo, just like the rsyslog repo > under Rainer's account. In both cases the authoritative public repo lives > elsehwere (rsyslog.com and kernel.org) and the 'real' authoritative repo > lives on a personal laptop. > In rsyslog case, both are actually peers. > > So if you are happy with the kernel repo, then the problem with the > rsyslog repo is simply a matter of publicity. > > David Lang > > > Otis >> -- >> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics >> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >> >> >> >> >>> >>> David Lang >>> >>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: >>> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:16:51 -0500 >>> >>>> >>>> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> >>>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>> >>>> Rome was not built in a day and 6 months is not a ton of time for things >>>> like this :). I've seen projects take 12 months to "warm up". Some >>>> recent >>>> examples: >>>> * http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-drill-dev/ >>>> * http://search-hadoop.com/Kafka + >>>> http://search-hadoop.com/?q=&fc_project=Kafka&fc_type=mail+_hash_+dev >>>> * ... >>>> >>>> This is completely normal. I wouldn't give up after 6 months. >>>> >>>> Also, is Rsyslog on Github or just switched to git? I found >>>> http://git.adiscon.com/?p=rsyslog.git;a=summary after googling, but not >>>> the >>>> Github repo.... https://www.google.com/search?q=rsyslog+github ? >>>> Git if fine, but I think Github's collaborative model is what is great >>>> about it, not that it uses git, though git is what partially makes such >>>> collaboration possible. >>>> >>>> Otis >>>> -- >>>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics >>>> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Rainer Gerhards >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>> Just a tiny note due to overload ;) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Radu Gheorghe < >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll leave it to Otis to give more details, because he's an Apache >>>>>> committer, but I believe there's a misunderstanding here. >>>>>> >>>>>> An Apache project can still be backed up by a commercial company. Lots >>>>>> of >>>>>> projects are, like Solr, Flume (another logging product!) and so on. >>>>>> The >>>>>> main advantage I see is that it's easier for the community to >>>>>> contribute >>>>>> and drive the project forward. It's a model that seems to work for >>>>>> open-source software, and lots of projects who got in there are doing >>>>>> >>>>>> very >>>>> >>>>> well - very active, growing, lots of people offering >>>>>> consulting&support&professional services, building more complex >>>>>> products >>>>>> >>>>>> on >>>>> >>>>> top of them, packaging them in various ways, etc >>>>>> >>>>>> I think this is an idea that would help drive more contributions and >>>>>> hopefully solve the 24 hours/day problem that keeps popping up lately, >>>>>> >>>>>> more >>>>> >>>>> and more as rsyslog gets more attention. To prove the "attention" >>>>>> theory, >>>>>> let's look at some trends for rsyslog and some other products that >>>>>> came >>>>>> >>>>>> up >>>>> >>>>> in discussions lately: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=rsyslog%2C% >>>>>> >>>>> 20logstash%2C%20syslog-ng&cmpt=q >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> And the mailing list traffic: >>>>>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.rsyslog >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe going to Apache would be a crazy idea in the sense that it >>>>>> requires >>>>>> following that procedure. And people already have too little time. >>>>>> Maybe >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>> >>>>> less crazy idea is just to put it on GitHub or somewhere similar where >>>>>> it >>>>>> would be easy to just send pull requests. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well... done so 6 month ago ;) This is the initial blog post with some >>>>> progress: >>>>> >>>>> http://blog.gerhards.net/2013/05/moving-to-github.html >>>>> >>>>> Was announced at several places. Overall feedback is "not bad, but no >>>>> real >>>>> difference". >>>>> >>>>> Rainer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This will not only make code >>>>> >>>>>> patches easier, but I'm thinking at documentation, tests, issues, all >>>>>> in >>>>>> one place. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not only contributions would be easier, but it would make things would >>>>>> be >>>>>> more visible. Your github profile counts for many as some sort of CV. >>>>>> The >>>>>> more&better you contribute, the more awesome you are (think job >>>>>> opportunities and such). For the project, it would make it easier to >>>>>> see >>>>>> how it evolves: contributions, issues, wiki - again, all in one place. >>>>>> >>>>>> That >>>>> >>>>> is familiar to many. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apache takes this idea to a higher level, as far as I understand, so >>>>>> >>>>>> crazy >>>>> >>>>> could be crazy-good. *Could be* - I don't know, really, I'm lacking >>>>>> knowledge about how Adiscon and Apache works, although I have some >>>>>> idea >>>>>> about both. Otis, maybe you can say some more about the advantages >>>>>> (and >>>>>> disadvantages)? >>>>>> >>>>>> And I'm obviously curious about what the Adiscon guys have to say >>>>>> about >>>>>> this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Radu >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/12/11 Boylan, James <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with David. As a business who developsand supports a >>>>>> product, I >>>>>> >>>>>>> can't see any reason for Adiscon to do so unless they decide to no >>>>>>> >>>>>>> longer >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> support and develop the software. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- James >>>>>>> -- Sent from my mobile -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>>> From: "David Lang" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: "rsyslog-users" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>>>>> Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 3:09 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> not being an adiscon person, my first question is why they would want >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> do >>>>>> >>>>>> that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David Lang >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:05:11 -0500 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe this is a completely crazy question, but has Adiscon ever >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> considered >>>>>>> >>>>>>> moving Rsyslog to Apache? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Otis >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics >>>>>>>> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> rsyslog mailing list >>>>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>>>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>>>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? 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