On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Otis Gospodnetic < [email protected]> wrote:
> Here's an example. Radu found Rsyslog github repo. It's at > https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog/ . > > Quick comments: > * May be better to put under https://github.com/rsyslog/ and plan on > treating "rsyslog" as an org *assuming* one wants to add others to this org > Well, we have not finally decided to make github *the* official repository. Benefits seen so far did not justify this. While we are very flexible, we like to see some good reasons behind such moves. I was optimistic when I started, but as a wrote this quickly settled down. Probably due to my own faults... > * I could not find this with Google. What does that say? > https://www.google.com/search?q=rsyslog+github+repo > * There is no link to that from http://www.rsyslog.com/ > * The README at https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog is kind of > non-existent. Good Github projects make good use of having a nice README > there and make use of the simple markup to make it readable. > * The README at https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog points people back to > rsyslog.com > * The README at https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog points to doc dir, > but > ... check out index.html: > https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog/blob/master/doc/index.html > * Can somebody easily fix things now without going through Adiscon? Edit > the README and commit? > yes, quite easy: craft a patch, and send it along with some reasoning. Will be applied very soon. I don't think it is unusual that you need a project admin to apply patches, aka a "trusted person". Everything else IMHO would be very dangerous and I'D never use a project where almost everyone can change code at any time without review by a trusted one. Rainer > > Please note note note note note: the above are not complaints. I've been > involved in OSS too long to be like that. I'm just trying to use a > concrete example of why the Github effort may not have been effective so > far and a few simple and cheap examples of how things can be improved. > > HTH. > Otis > -- > Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics > Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:56 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On the subject of collaberation, if the problem with github is that it's > > not visible enough, perhapse you could do a writeup on how to work on > > rsyslog with github and that could be added to the pages that talk about > > how to do development and how to download the source via git. > > > > David Lang > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, David Lang wrote: > > > > Rsyslog has been on git for a long time, creating additional repos on > >> github is the only new thing. > >> > >> what is it about github that makes it especially collaborative compared > >> to 'just' git? everything I see is just exposing the capabilities fo git > >> and a repo on github is not special in any way from any technical point > of > >> view, it's just visible on the github website with the fork button > rather > >> than someone having to type git clone manually. > >> > >> The Linux kernel is very collabrative, but it doesn't use github (and in > >> fact pulls from github are frowned upon, at least at the upper levels > due > >> to trust concerns) > >> > >> David Lang > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > >> > >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:16:51 -0500 > >>> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> > >>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> > >>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> > >>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? > >>> > >>> Rome was not built in a day and 6 months is not a ton of time for > things > >>> like this :). I've seen projects take 12 months to "warm up". Some > >>> recent > >>> examples: > >>> * http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-drill-dev/ > >>> * http://search-hadoop.com/Kafka + > >>> http://search-hadoop.com/?q=&fc_project=Kafka&fc_type=mail+_hash_+dev > >>> * ... > >>> > >>> This is completely normal. I wouldn't give up after 6 months. > >>> > >>> Also, is Rsyslog on Github or just switched to git? I found > >>> http://git.adiscon.com/?p=rsyslog.git;a=summary after googling, but > not > >>> the > >>> Github repo.... https://www.google.com/search?q=rsyslog+github ? > >>> Git if fine, but I think Github's collaborative model is what is great > >>> about it, not that it uses git, though git is what partially makes such > >>> collaboration possible. > >>> > >>> Otis > >>> -- > >>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics > >>> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Rainer Gerhards > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> > >>> Just a tiny note due to overload ;) > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Radu Gheorghe < > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'll leave it to Otis to give more details, because he's an Apache > >>>>> committer, but I believe there's a misunderstanding here. > >>>>> > >>>>> An Apache project can still be backed up by a commercial company. > Lots > >>>>> of > >>>>> projects are, like Solr, Flume (another logging product!) and so on. > >>>>> The > >>>>> main advantage I see is that it's easier for the community to > >>>>> contribute > >>>>> and drive the project forward. It's a model that seems to work for > >>>>> open-source software, and lots of projects who got in there are doing > >>>>> > >>>> very > >>>> > >>>>> well - very active, growing, lots of people offering > >>>>> consulting&support&professional services, building more complex > >>>>> products > >>>>> > >>>> on > >>>> > >>>>> top of them, packaging them in various ways, etc > >>>>> > >>>>> I think this is an idea that would help drive more contributions and > >>>>> hopefully solve the 24 hours/day problem that keeps popping up > lately, > >>>>> > >>>> more > >>>> > >>>>> and more as rsyslog gets more attention. To prove the "attention" > >>>>> theory, > >>>>> let's look at some trends for rsyslog and some other products that > came > >>>>> > >>>> up > >>>> > >>>>> in discussions lately: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=rsyslog%2C% > >>>> 20logstash%2C%20syslog-ng&cmpt=q > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> And the mailing list traffic: > >>>>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.rsyslog > >>>>> > >>>>> Maybe going to Apache would be a crazy idea in the sense that it > >>>>> requires > >>>>> following that procedure. And people already have too little time. > >>>>> Maybe > >>>>> > >>>> a > >>>> > >>>>> less crazy idea is just to put it on GitHub or somewhere similar > where > >>>>> it > >>>>> would be easy to just send pull requests. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Well... done so 6 month ago ;) This is the initial blog post with some > >>>> progress: > >>>> > >>>> http://blog.gerhards.net/2013/05/moving-to-github.html > >>>> > >>>> Was announced at several places. Overall feedback is "not bad, but no > >>>> real > >>>> difference". > >>>> > >>>> Rainer > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This will not only make code > >>>>> patches easier, but I'm thinking at documentation, tests, issues, all > >>>>> in > >>>>> one place. > >>>>> > >>>>> Not only contributions would be easier, but it would make things > would > >>>>> be > >>>>> more visible. Your github profile counts for many as some sort of CV. > >>>>> The > >>>>> more&better you contribute, the more awesome you are (think job > >>>>> opportunities and such). For the project, it would make it easier to > >>>>> see > >>>>> how it evolves: contributions, issues, wiki - again, all in one > place. > >>>>> > >>>> That > >>>> > >>>>> is familiar to many. > >>>>> > >>>>> Apache takes this idea to a higher level, as far as I understand, so > >>>>> > >>>> crazy > >>>> > >>>>> could be crazy-good. *Could be* - I don't know, really, I'm lacking > >>>>> knowledge about how Adiscon and Apache works, although I have some > idea > >>>>> about both. Otis, maybe you can say some more about the advantages > (and > >>>>> disadvantages)? > >>>>> > >>>>> And I'm obviously curious about what the Adiscon guys have to say > about > >>>>> this. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> Radu > >>>>> > >>>>> 2013/12/11 Boylan, James <[email protected]> > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree with David. As a business who developsand supports a > product, > >>>>>> I > >>>>>> can't see any reason for Adiscon to do so unless they decide to no > >>>>>> > >>>>> longer > >>>> > >>>>> support and develop the software. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- James > >>>>>> -- Sent from my mobile -- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- > >>>>>> From: "David Lang" <[email protected]> > >>>>>> To: "rsyslog-users" <[email protected]> > >>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? > >>>>>> Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 3:09 PM > >>>>>> > >>>>>> not being an adiscon person, my first question is why they would > want > >>>>>> > >>>>> to > >>>> > >>>>> do > >>>>> > >>>>>> that? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> David Lang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:05:11 -0500 > >>>>>>> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Maybe this is a completely crazy question, but has Adiscon ever > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> considered > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> moving Rsyslog to Apache? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> Otis > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics > >>>>>>> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> rsyslog mailing list > >>>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > >>>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > >>>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > >>>>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> myriad > >>>>> > >>>>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if > you > >>>>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> rsyslog mailing list > >>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > >>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > >>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > >>>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a > >>>>>> > >>>>> myriad > >>>> > >>>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if > you > >>>>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> rsyslog mailing list > >>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > >>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > >>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > >>>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a > >>>>>> > >>>>> myriad > >>>> > >>>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if > you > >>>>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> rsyslog mailing list > >>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > >>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > >>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > >>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a > >>>>> myriad > >>>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if > you > >>>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> rsyslog mailing list > >>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > >>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > >>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > >>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a > myriad > >>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you > >>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>> rsyslog mailing list > >>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > >>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > >>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > >>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a > myriad > >>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you > >>> DON'T LIKE THAT. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> rsyslog mailing list > >> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > >> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > >> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > >> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad > >> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you > >> DON'T LIKE THAT. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > rsyslog mailing list > > http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > > NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad > > of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you > > DON'T LIKE THAT. > > > _______________________________________________ > rsyslog mailing list > http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad > of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you > DON'T LIKE THAT. > _______________________________________________ rsyslog mailing list http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you DON'T LIKE THAT.
