On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:

Rsyslog has been on git for a long time, creating additional repos on
github is the only new thing.


Sounds like there was/is confusion about git vs. github.


what is it about github that makes it especially collaborative compared to
'just' git? everything I see is just exposing the capabilities fo git and a
repo on github is not special in any way from any technical point of view,
it's just visible on the github website with the fork button rather than
someone having to type git clone manually.


This must have been written up N times before, but I won't google now.
It's not only about Git and not only about forking.  It's about being able
to create a PR easily, about seeing a PR (pull request) and the diff
easily, about cross-linking it with issues, about being able to comment on
everything, about being able to review the code before it gets committed,
about being able to click on a file and edit it in place and commit, about
.........

creating a pull request is easy with plain git, and a pull request created with github doesn't need to be processed on github, it can be processed on git.

cross-linking on issues would require that we abandon the existing (searchable and archived) mailing lists, forums, etc in favor of ones that are dependant on github.

Personally, I'm very much in favor of projects running their own infrastructure. Things happen to companies and things that they provide for free now may not be available for free later. Tieing your projects success to some company like that that has no direct interest in the success of your individual project is not a great plan.

The Linux kernel is very collabrative, but it doesn't use github (and in
fact pulls from github are frowned upon, at least at the upper levels due
to trust concerns)


I don't follow Linux kernel dev, but aren't they on bitbucket?  I don't
know...
Funny "linux kernel repo" query shows https://github.com/torvalds/linux as
#2 hit.

the linux kernel project does not use bitbucket as far as I know. They run their own servers.

the github repo you found is a secondary repo, just like the rsyslog repo under Rainer's account. In both cases the authoritative public repo lives elsehwere (rsyslog.com and kernel.org) and the 'real' authoritative repo lives on a personal laptop.

So if you are happy with the kernel repo, then the problem with the rsyslog repo is simply a matter of publicity.

David Lang

Otis
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David Lang

 On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote:

 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:16:51 -0500

From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]>
Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache?

Rome was not built in a day and 6 months is not a ton of time for things
like this :).  I've seen projects take 12 months to "warm up".  Some
recent
examples:
* http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-drill-dev/
* http://search-hadoop.com/Kafka +
http://search-hadoop.com/?q=&fc_project=Kafka&fc_type=mail+_hash_+dev
* ...

This is completely normal.  I wouldn't give up after 6 months.

Also, is Rsyslog on Github or just switched to git?  I found
http://git.adiscon.com/?p=rsyslog.git;a=summary after googling, but not
the
Github repo.... https://www.google.com/search?q=rsyslog+github ?
Git if fine, but I think Github's collaborative model is what is great
about it, not that it uses git, though git is what partially makes such
collaboration possible.

Otis
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Rainer Gerhards
<[email protected]>wrote:

 Just a tiny note due to overload ;)

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Radu Gheorghe <[email protected]

wrote:


 Hi,

I'll leave it to Otis to give more details, because he's an Apache
committer, but I believe there's a misunderstanding here.

An Apache project can still be backed up by a commercial company. Lots
of
projects are, like Solr, Flume (another logging product!) and so on. The
main advantage I see is that it's easier for the community to contribute
and drive the project forward. It's a model that seems to work for
open-source software, and lots of projects who got in there are doing

very

well - very active, growing, lots of people offering
consulting&support&professional services, building more complex
products

on

top of them, packaging them in various ways, etc

I think this is an idea that would help drive more contributions and
hopefully solve the 24 hours/day problem that keeps popping up lately,

more

and more as rsyslog gets more attention. To prove the "attention"
theory,
let's look at some trends for rsyslog and some other products that came

up

in discussions lately:


 http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=rsyslog%2C%
20logstash%2C%20syslog-ng&cmpt=q


And the mailing list traffic:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.rsyslog

Maybe going to Apache would be a crazy idea in the sense that it
requires
following that procedure. And people already have too little time. Maybe

a

less crazy idea is just to put it on GitHub or somewhere similar where
it
would be easy to just send pull requests.



Well... done so 6 month ago ;) This is the initial blog post with some
progress:

http://blog.gerhards.net/2013/05/moving-to-github.html

Was announced at several places. Overall feedback is "not bad, but no
real
difference".

Rainer


 This will not only make code
patches easier, but I'm thinking at documentation, tests, issues, all in
one place.

Not only contributions would be easier, but it would make things would
be
more visible. Your github profile counts for many as some sort of CV.
The
more&better you contribute, the more awesome you are (think job
opportunities and such). For the project, it would make it easier to see
how it evolves: contributions, issues, wiki - again, all in one place.

That

is familiar to many.

Apache takes this idea to a higher level, as far as I understand, so

crazy

could be crazy-good. *Could be* - I don't know, really, I'm lacking
knowledge about how Adiscon and Apache works, although I have some idea
about both. Otis, maybe you can say some more about the advantages (and
disadvantages)?

And I'm obviously curious about what the Adiscon guys have to say about
this.

Best regards,
Radu

2013/12/11 Boylan, James <[email protected]>

 I agree with David. As a business who developsand supports a product, I
can't see any reason for Adiscon to do so unless they decide to no

longer

support and develop the software.

-- James
-- Sent from my mobile --

----- Reply message -----
From: "David Lang" <[email protected]>
To: "rsyslog-users" <[email protected]>
Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache?
Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 3:09 PM

not being an adiscon person, my first question is why they would want

to

do

that?

David Lang

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote:

 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:05:11 -0500
From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]>
Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache?

Hi,

Maybe this is a completely crazy question, but has Adiscon ever

considered

moving Rsyslog to Apache?

Thanks,
Otis
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