Hi, On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rsyslog has been on git for a long time, creating additional repos on > github is the only new thing. > Sounds like there was/is confusion about git vs. github. > what is it about github that makes it especially collaborative compared to > 'just' git? everything I see is just exposing the capabilities fo git and a > repo on github is not special in any way from any technical point of view, > it's just visible on the github website with the fork button rather than > someone having to type git clone manually. > This must have been written up N times before, but I won't google now. It's not only about Git and not only about forking. It's about being able to create a PR easily, about seeing a PR (pull request) and the diff easily, about cross-linking it with issues, about being able to comment on everything, about being able to review the code before it gets committed, about being able to click on a file and edit it in place and commit, about ......... > The Linux kernel is very collabrative, but it doesn't use github (and in > fact pulls from github are frowned upon, at least at the upper levels due > to trust concerns) I don't follow Linux kernel dev, but aren't they on bitbucket? I don't know... Funny "linux kernel repo" query shows https://github.com/torvalds/linux as #2 hit. Otis -- Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ > > > David Lang > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:16:51 -0500 >> >> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >> >> Rome was not built in a day and 6 months is not a ton of time for things >> like this :). I've seen projects take 12 months to "warm up". Some >> recent >> examples: >> * http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-drill-dev/ >> * http://search-hadoop.com/Kafka + >> http://search-hadoop.com/?q=&fc_project=Kafka&fc_type=mail+_hash_+dev >> * ... >> >> This is completely normal. I wouldn't give up after 6 months. >> >> Also, is Rsyslog on Github or just switched to git? I found >> http://git.adiscon.com/?p=rsyslog.git;a=summary after googling, but not >> the >> Github repo.... https://www.google.com/search?q=rsyslog+github ? >> Git if fine, but I think Github's collaborative model is what is great >> about it, not that it uses git, though git is what partially makes such >> collaboration possible. >> >> Otis >> -- >> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics >> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Rainer Gerhards >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> Just a tiny note due to overload ;) >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Radu Gheorghe <[email protected] >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'll leave it to Otis to give more details, because he's an Apache >>>> committer, but I believe there's a misunderstanding here. >>>> >>>> An Apache project can still be backed up by a commercial company. Lots >>>> of >>>> projects are, like Solr, Flume (another logging product!) and so on. The >>>> main advantage I see is that it's easier for the community to contribute >>>> and drive the project forward. It's a model that seems to work for >>>> open-source software, and lots of projects who got in there are doing >>>> >>> very >>> >>>> well - very active, growing, lots of people offering >>>> consulting&support&professional services, building more complex >>>> products >>>> >>> on >>> >>>> top of them, packaging them in various ways, etc >>>> >>>> I think this is an idea that would help drive more contributions and >>>> hopefully solve the 24 hours/day problem that keeps popping up lately, >>>> >>> more >>> >>>> and more as rsyslog gets more attention. To prove the "attention" >>>> theory, >>>> let's look at some trends for rsyslog and some other products that came >>>> >>> up >>> >>>> in discussions lately: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=rsyslog%2C% >>> 20logstash%2C%20syslog-ng&cmpt=q >>> >>>> >>>> And the mailing list traffic: >>>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.rsyslog >>>> >>>> Maybe going to Apache would be a crazy idea in the sense that it >>>> requires >>>> following that procedure. And people already have too little time. Maybe >>>> >>> a >>> >>>> less crazy idea is just to put it on GitHub or somewhere similar where >>>> it >>>> would be easy to just send pull requests. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Well... done so 6 month ago ;) This is the initial blog post with some >>> progress: >>> >>> http://blog.gerhards.net/2013/05/moving-to-github.html >>> >>> Was announced at several places. Overall feedback is "not bad, but no >>> real >>> difference". >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>> >>> This will not only make code >>>> patches easier, but I'm thinking at documentation, tests, issues, all in >>>> one place. >>>> >>>> Not only contributions would be easier, but it would make things would >>>> be >>>> more visible. Your github profile counts for many as some sort of CV. >>>> The >>>> more&better you contribute, the more awesome you are (think job >>>> opportunities and such). For the project, it would make it easier to see >>>> how it evolves: contributions, issues, wiki - again, all in one place. >>>> >>> That >>> >>>> is familiar to many. >>>> >>>> Apache takes this idea to a higher level, as far as I understand, so >>>> >>> crazy >>> >>>> could be crazy-good. *Could be* - I don't know, really, I'm lacking >>>> knowledge about how Adiscon and Apache works, although I have some idea >>>> about both. Otis, maybe you can say some more about the advantages (and >>>> disadvantages)? >>>> >>>> And I'm obviously curious about what the Adiscon guys have to say about >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Radu >>>> >>>> 2013/12/11 Boylan, James <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> I agree with David. As a business who developsand supports a product, I >>>>> can't see any reason for Adiscon to do so unless they decide to no >>>>> >>>> longer >>> >>>> support and develop the software. >>>>> >>>>> -- James >>>>> -- Sent from my mobile -- >>>>> >>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>> From: "David Lang" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "rsyslog-users" <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>>> Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 3:09 PM >>>>> >>>>> not being an adiscon person, my first question is why they would want >>>>> >>>> to >>> >>>> do >>>> >>>>> that? >>>>> >>>>> David Lang >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:05:11 -0500 >>>>>> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> >>>>>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe this is a completely crazy question, but has Adiscon ever >>>>>> >>>>> considered >>>>> >>>>>> moving Rsyslog to Apache? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Otis >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics >>>>>> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rsyslog mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? 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