Hi, On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > Hi, >> >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Rsyslog has been on git for a long time, creating additional repos on >>> github is the only new thing. >>> >>> >> Sounds like there was/is confusion about git vs. github. >> >> >> what is it about github that makes it especially collaborative compared >>> to >>> 'just' git? everything I see is just exposing the capabilities fo git >>> and a >>> repo on github is not special in any way from any technical point of >>> view, >>> it's just visible on the github website with the fork button rather than >>> someone having to type git clone manually. >>> >>> >> This must have been written up N times before, but I won't google now. >> It's not only about Git and not only about forking. It's about being able >> to create a PR easily, about seeing a PR (pull request) and the diff >> easily, about cross-linking it with issues, about being able to comment on >> everything, about being able to review the code before it gets committed, >> about being able to click on a file and edit it in place and commit, about >> ......... >> > > creating a pull request is easy with plain git, and a pull request created > with github doesn't need to be processed on github, it can be processed on > git. > > cross-linking on issues would require that we abandon the existing > (searchable and archived) mailing lists, forums, etc in favor of ones that > are dependant on github. > But it's hard to argue with the revolution Github enabled. Want more patches? Lower the required effort. Github does that. Personally, I'm very much in favor of projects running their own > infrastructure. Things happen to companies and things that they provide for > free now may not be available for free later. Tieing your projects success > to some company like that that has no direct interest in the success of > your individual project is not a great plan. I know this thinking and am guilty of applying it sometimes. In this "what if" case I think there is more to gain then to potentially lose. The Linux kernel is very collabrative, but it doesn't use github (and in >>> fact pulls from github are frowned upon, at least at the upper levels due >>> to trust concerns) >>> >> >> >> I don't follow Linux kernel dev, but aren't they on bitbucket? I don't >> know... >> Funny "linux kernel repo" query shows https://github.com/torvalds/linuxas >> #2 hit. >> > > the linux kernel project does not use bitbucket as far as I know. They run > their own servers. > > the github repo you found is a secondary repo, just like the rsyslog repo > under Rainer's account. In both cases the authoritative public repo lives > elsehwere (rsyslog.com and kernel.org) and the 'real' authoritative repo > lives on a personal laptop. > > So if you are happy with the kernel repo, then the problem with the > rsyslog repo is simply a matter of publicity. It's a big one. Otis -- Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >> >> >> >>> >>> David Lang >>> >>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: >>> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:16:51 -0500 >>> >>>> >>>> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> >>>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>> >>>> Rome was not built in a day and 6 months is not a ton of time for things >>>> like this :). I've seen projects take 12 months to "warm up". Some >>>> recent >>>> examples: >>>> * http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-drill-dev/ >>>> * http://search-hadoop.com/Kafka + >>>> http://search-hadoop.com/?q=&fc_project=Kafka&fc_type=mail+_hash_+dev >>>> * ... >>>> >>>> This is completely normal. I wouldn't give up after 6 months. >>>> >>>> Also, is Rsyslog on Github or just switched to git? I found >>>> http://git.adiscon.com/?p=rsyslog.git;a=summary after googling, but not >>>> the >>>> Github repo.... https://www.google.com/search?q=rsyslog+github ? >>>> Git if fine, but I think Github's collaborative model is what is great >>>> about it, not that it uses git, though git is what partially makes such >>>> collaboration possible. >>>> >>>> Otis >>>> -- >>>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics >>>> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Rainer Gerhards >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>> Just a tiny note due to overload ;) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Radu Gheorghe < >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll leave it to Otis to give more details, because he's an Apache >>>>>> committer, but I believe there's a misunderstanding here. >>>>>> >>>>>> An Apache project can still be backed up by a commercial company. Lots >>>>>> of >>>>>> projects are, like Solr, Flume (another logging product!) and so on. >>>>>> The >>>>>> main advantage I see is that it's easier for the community to >>>>>> contribute >>>>>> and drive the project forward. It's a model that seems to work for >>>>>> open-source software, and lots of projects who got in there are doing >>>>>> >>>>>> very >>>>> >>>>> well - very active, growing, lots of people offering >>>>>> consulting&support&professional services, building more complex >>>>>> products >>>>>> >>>>>> on >>>>> >>>>> top of them, packaging them in various ways, etc >>>>>> >>>>>> I think this is an idea that would help drive more contributions and >>>>>> hopefully solve the 24 hours/day problem that keeps popping up lately, >>>>>> >>>>>> more >>>>> >>>>> and more as rsyslog gets more attention. To prove the "attention" >>>>>> theory, >>>>>> let's look at some trends for rsyslog and some other products that >>>>>> came >>>>>> >>>>>> up >>>>> >>>>> in discussions lately: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=rsyslog%2C% >>>>>> >>>>> 20logstash%2C%20syslog-ng&cmpt=q >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> And the mailing list traffic: >>>>>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.rsyslog >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe going to Apache would be a crazy idea in the sense that it >>>>>> requires >>>>>> following that procedure. And people already have too little time. >>>>>> Maybe >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>> >>>>> less crazy idea is just to put it on GitHub or somewhere similar where >>>>>> it >>>>>> would be easy to just send pull requests. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well... done so 6 month ago ;) This is the initial blog post with some >>>>> progress: >>>>> >>>>> http://blog.gerhards.net/2013/05/moving-to-github.html >>>>> >>>>> Was announced at several places. Overall feedback is "not bad, but no >>>>> real >>>>> difference". >>>>> >>>>> Rainer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This will not only make code >>>>> >>>>>> patches easier, but I'm thinking at documentation, tests, issues, all >>>>>> in >>>>>> one place. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not only contributions would be easier, but it would make things would >>>>>> be >>>>>> more visible. Your github profile counts for many as some sort of CV. >>>>>> The >>>>>> more&better you contribute, the more awesome you are (think job >>>>>> opportunities and such). For the project, it would make it easier to >>>>>> see >>>>>> how it evolves: contributions, issues, wiki - again, all in one place. >>>>>> >>>>>> That >>>>> >>>>> is familiar to many. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apache takes this idea to a higher level, as far as I understand, so >>>>>> >>>>>> crazy >>>>> >>>>> could be crazy-good. *Could be* - I don't know, really, I'm lacking >>>>>> knowledge about how Adiscon and Apache works, although I have some >>>>>> idea >>>>>> about both. Otis, maybe you can say some more about the advantages >>>>>> (and >>>>>> disadvantages)? >>>>>> >>>>>> And I'm obviously curious about what the Adiscon guys have to say >>>>>> about >>>>>> this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Radu >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/12/11 Boylan, James <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with David. As a business who developsand supports a >>>>>> product, I >>>>>> >>>>>>> can't see any reason for Adiscon to do so unless they decide to no >>>>>>> >>>>>>> longer >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> support and develop the software. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- James >>>>>>> -- Sent from my mobile -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>>> From: "David Lang" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: "rsyslog-users" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>>>>> Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 3:09 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> not being an adiscon person, my first question is why they would want >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> do >>>>>> >>>>>> that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David Lang >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:05:11 -0500 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe this is a completely crazy question, but has Adiscon ever >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> considered >>>>>>> >>>>>>> moving Rsyslog to Apache? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Otis >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics >>>>>>>> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> rsyslog mailing list >>>>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>>>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>>>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? 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