Here's an example. Radu found Rsyslog github repo. It's at https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog/ .
Quick comments: * May be better to put under https://github.com/rsyslog/ and plan on treating "rsyslog" as an org *assuming* one wants to add others to this org * I could not find this with Google. What does that say? https://www.google.com/search?q=rsyslog+github+repo * There is no link to that from http://www.rsyslog.com/ * The README at https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog is kind of non-existent. Good Github projects make good use of having a nice README there and make use of the simple markup to make it readable. * The README at https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog points people back to rsyslog.com * The README at https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog points to doc dir, but ... check out index.html: https://github.com/rgerhards/rsyslog/blob/master/doc/index.html * Can somebody easily fix things now without going through Adiscon? Edit the README and commit? Please note note note note note: the above are not complaints. I've been involved in OSS too long to be like that. I'm just trying to use a concrete example of why the Github effort may not have been effective so far and a few simple and cheap examples of how things can be improved. HTH. Otis -- Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:56 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > On the subject of collaberation, if the problem with github is that it's > not visible enough, perhapse you could do a writeup on how to work on > rsyslog with github and that could be added to the pages that talk about > how to do development and how to download the source via git. > > David Lang > > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, David Lang wrote: > > Rsyslog has been on git for a long time, creating additional repos on >> github is the only new thing. >> >> what is it about github that makes it especially collaborative compared >> to 'just' git? everything I see is just exposing the capabilities fo git >> and a repo on github is not special in any way from any technical point of >> view, it's just visible on the github website with the fork button rather >> than someone having to type git clone manually. >> >> The Linux kernel is very collabrative, but it doesn't use github (and in >> fact pulls from github are frowned upon, at least at the upper levels due >> to trust concerns) >> >> David Lang >> >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: >> >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:16:51 -0500 >>> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>> >>> Rome was not built in a day and 6 months is not a ton of time for things >>> like this :). I've seen projects take 12 months to "warm up". Some >>> recent >>> examples: >>> * http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-drill-dev/ >>> * http://search-hadoop.com/Kafka + >>> http://search-hadoop.com/?q=&fc_project=Kafka&fc_type=mail+_hash_+dev >>> * ... >>> >>> This is completely normal. I wouldn't give up after 6 months. >>> >>> Also, is Rsyslog on Github or just switched to git? I found >>> http://git.adiscon.com/?p=rsyslog.git;a=summary after googling, but not >>> the >>> Github repo.... https://www.google.com/search?q=rsyslog+github ? >>> Git if fine, but I think Github's collaborative model is what is great >>> about it, not that it uses git, though git is what partially makes such >>> collaboration possible. >>> >>> Otis >>> -- >>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics >>> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Rainer Gerhards >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> Just a tiny note due to overload ;) >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Radu Gheorghe < >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I'll leave it to Otis to give more details, because he's an Apache >>>>> committer, but I believe there's a misunderstanding here. >>>>> >>>>> An Apache project can still be backed up by a commercial company. Lots >>>>> of >>>>> projects are, like Solr, Flume (another logging product!) and so on. >>>>> The >>>>> main advantage I see is that it's easier for the community to >>>>> contribute >>>>> and drive the project forward. It's a model that seems to work for >>>>> open-source software, and lots of projects who got in there are doing >>>>> >>>> very >>>> >>>>> well - very active, growing, lots of people offering >>>>> consulting&support&professional services, building more complex >>>>> products >>>>> >>>> on >>>> >>>>> top of them, packaging them in various ways, etc >>>>> >>>>> I think this is an idea that would help drive more contributions and >>>>> hopefully solve the 24 hours/day problem that keeps popping up lately, >>>>> >>>> more >>>> >>>>> and more as rsyslog gets more attention. To prove the "attention" >>>>> theory, >>>>> let's look at some trends for rsyslog and some other products that came >>>>> >>>> up >>>> >>>>> in discussions lately: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=rsyslog%2C% >>>> 20logstash%2C%20syslog-ng&cmpt=q >>>> >>>>> >>>>> And the mailing list traffic: >>>>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.rsyslog >>>>> >>>>> Maybe going to Apache would be a crazy idea in the sense that it >>>>> requires >>>>> following that procedure. And people already have too little time. >>>>> Maybe >>>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>>> less crazy idea is just to put it on GitHub or somewhere similar where >>>>> it >>>>> would be easy to just send pull requests. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well... done so 6 month ago ;) This is the initial blog post with some >>>> progress: >>>> >>>> http://blog.gerhards.net/2013/05/moving-to-github.html >>>> >>>> Was announced at several places. Overall feedback is "not bad, but no >>>> real >>>> difference". >>>> >>>> Rainer >>>> >>>> >>>> This will not only make code >>>>> patches easier, but I'm thinking at documentation, tests, issues, all >>>>> in >>>>> one place. >>>>> >>>>> Not only contributions would be easier, but it would make things would >>>>> be >>>>> more visible. Your github profile counts for many as some sort of CV. >>>>> The >>>>> more&better you contribute, the more awesome you are (think job >>>>> opportunities and such). For the project, it would make it easier to >>>>> see >>>>> how it evolves: contributions, issues, wiki - again, all in one place. >>>>> >>>> That >>>> >>>>> is familiar to many. >>>>> >>>>> Apache takes this idea to a higher level, as far as I understand, so >>>>> >>>> crazy >>>> >>>>> could be crazy-good. *Could be* - I don't know, really, I'm lacking >>>>> knowledge about how Adiscon and Apache works, although I have some idea >>>>> about both. Otis, maybe you can say some more about the advantages (and >>>>> disadvantages)? >>>>> >>>>> And I'm obviously curious about what the Adiscon guys have to say about >>>>> this. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Radu >>>>> >>>>> 2013/12/11 Boylan, James <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> I agree with David. As a business who developsand supports a product, >>>>>> I >>>>>> can't see any reason for Adiscon to do so unless they decide to no >>>>>> >>>>> longer >>>> >>>>> support and develop the software. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- James >>>>>> -- Sent from my mobile -- >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>> From: "David Lang" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: "rsyslog-users" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>>>> Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 3:09 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> not being an adiscon person, my first question is why they would want >>>>>> >>>>> to >>>> >>>>> do >>>>> >>>>>> that? >>>>>> >>>>>> David Lang >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:05:11 -0500 >>>>>>> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe this is a completely crazy question, but has Adiscon ever >>>>>>> >>>>>> considered >>>>>> >>>>>>> moving Rsyslog to Apache? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Otis >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics >>>>>>> Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> rsyslog mailing list >>>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards >>>>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a >>>>>>> >>>>>> myriad >>>>> >>>>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you >>>>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rsyslog mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards >>>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a >>>>>> >>>>> myriad >>>> >>>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you >>>>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rsyslog mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards >>>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a >>>>>> >>>>> myriad >>>> >>>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you >>>>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rsyslog mailing list >>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards >>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a >>>>> myriad >>>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you >>>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rsyslog mailing list >>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards >>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad >>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you >>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> rsyslog mailing list >>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards >>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad >>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you >>> DON'T LIKE THAT. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> rsyslog mailing list >> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards >> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad >> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you >> DON'T LIKE THAT. >> >> _______________________________________________ > rsyslog mailing list > http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad > of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you > DON'T LIKE THAT. > _______________________________________________ rsyslog mailing list http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you DON'T LIKE THAT.
