Hi Jonathan; The other option Tom Hawley is talking about are closed frog turnouts. These were the standard solution for running both highrail and scale flanges for many years. There have been a couple of articles on building them, one was by the late Bill Krause in the Feb. 2000 issue of Dispatch, there is also an article on the Bristol S Gaugers web site on building these:
http://www.bristol-s-gauge.com/Projects/cfrogsw/cfroginfo.html Most prototype switches are not of this design, so the Tom Stolz turnout looks more prototypical, if you can get them/make the insert yourself. Pieter E. Roos --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Jonathan Hatfield <[email protected]> wrote: > Hold the phone... I need to > address a point right now. I am NOT looking to sell or > market turnouts to compete with Tom's Turnouts. Don't > know where that idea came from. I am just looking for > the best solution for my personal layout. Having said that, > I may try to replicate the frog insert, or I may just run > everything with large flanges and gauge the turnouts > appropriately. The flanges don't bother me. > Everything I own currently (other than my Flyonel Mikado) is > SHS so I can easily swap to the larger flanges. I love > scale, but the new Flyonel offerings, and the rumors I hear > about new Flyonel scale engines to come make me want to > build my layout to run them too. I think I may be better > served to just accept the larger flanges and gauge my > turnouts accordingly. All SHS, AM, RR(0-6-0), and even > Sunset 4-6-2 (if made) products have large flange > options. That's what I am thinking right now, unless > someone offers a better solution. > > Regards, > Jonathan > > Blogs: http://RailfanX.blogspot.com and http://cloudvirt.blogspot.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/jonnyspeed > Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhatfield > > > > From: Tom Hawley > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:12 PM > To: [email protected] > > Subject: {S-Scale List} Being all things to all wheel > profiles. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Hatfield > . . . . . . . . . . .I checked with Tom [Stoltz] about > getting some turnouts > built and he . . . . . . . .won’t be taking any new > orders for a while. So > since I want to be able to run both scale wheels and modern > Flyonel flanges > . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was young and foolish I thought the same thing. > Being today older > ( and ??? ), I've decided on scale only. It makes life a > lot easier. > < < < < < < < < < < < < > < > I think my only option is going to be hand-laying my own > and experimenting > with the flangeways until I get a good compromise. . . . . > . . . . . . . . . > . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt that your good compromise will be reliable for > scale or high-rail. > Here are two other suggestions - > > ONE. Study carefully the frog insert on the Tom's Turnouts. > Maybe you can > recreate - whittle, cast, ?? - these for yourself. They are > key to running > scale and high-rail together, and they work, as the SMSG > club demonstrated > again yesterday at the Monroe Michigan train show. You > should be able to do > this for yourself with no problem, but before you start > selling them, talk > to your lawyer or work out an understanding with Mr > Stoltz. > > TWO. Look at the latest version of the SHS turnout and note > the swing-nose > frog (moving frog point). There is no gap and therefore no > flangeway > dimension to be concerned with. And I don't think SHS has a > patent on that > idea, since it's been used in certain real world heavy-haul > and high-speed > track applications for a long time, world-wide. Make your > own turnouts > using this system at any degree of divergence ("number") > that works for your > railroad. > > Tom Hawley > http://michmod.com ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
