Tracey, you should change your post-name to that. Truth in advertising, after all... ;-D
---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:45:00 -0700 From : "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> To : <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> You guys know my heart skips a beat when you guys call me " Exalted List Goddess," so it is particularly touching on mother's day. Thanks. I'm thrilled everyone is returning home today..and even more thrilled that we have some active new blood Thank you for the cool Mother's day wishes -----Original Message----- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Tracey! I was just thinking to myself: where IS our Exalted List Goddess during all this lively conversation? I hope this Mother's Day finds you in good health and proud of your "list children" (even the one's too old to still be at "home" - like me!). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: > > Wow everybody is turning back in to comment on this one. Adrianne, Aubrey, > Marian, Galacticus, Justin, etc Did I leave anyone out? It's good to hear > from everyone > > > > Tracey > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:16 AM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* > > > > > > And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of > my life--*loved* the movie! > > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > > That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. > > "If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie." > > > > > > ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- > > Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* > > Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 -0000 > > From : "sincere1906" > > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... > > SPOILERS! > > SPOILERS! > > SPOILSRS! > > > Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see > guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain > unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're > notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed > up and started rippling through the time line? > > Jes thinkin aloud... > > Sin > > -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "sincere1906" wrote: > > > > Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just > getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red > Stripe buzz, but here goes... > > > > S P O I L E R S ! ! ! > > > > I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was > well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought > everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a > movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. > > > > The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, > is was it good Trek? > > > > On this, I'm truly torn. > > > > First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about > Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that > Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the > timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly > effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar > between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold > and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate > reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a > virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, > not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call > this "Ultimate Star Trek!" There's a sense of loss here knowing that the > Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some > other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have > been born. For the ! > first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the > larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. > > > > > Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where > this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the > original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main > character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any > such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of > a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing > illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser > and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but "what > the frack!?!" Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a > post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, > etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed > to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, > and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new > one--eliminating povert! > > y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and > socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a > credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly utopian in the > past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so > much like us, I don't understand how they can possibly be enlightened. > Normally Trek folks look back on our era the way we would at someone stepped > out of the 12th century. Can't see them however debating the philosophical > merits of the prime directive. > > > > My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some > universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a > Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can > clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll > just have to wait and see... > > > > MHO > > > > Sin/Black Galactus > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds > ------------------------------------ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
