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OT: An interesting article about Microsoft vs. Adobe

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Obviously, take with a grain of salt, but some interesting points,
nonetheless.

TVB

http://www.9news.com/money/article.aspx?storyid=68237

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Re: OT: An interesting article about Microsoft vs. Adobe

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:32 -0600 18/4/07, Van Boening, Tammy wrote:

Obviously, take with a grain of salt, but some interesting points,
nonetheless.

This is all we need: yet another set of web 'standards'.

The NYT site that the article refers to was a mess.

'While Microsoft's hybrid applications can only be built on a Windows computer, 
and will only run on a Windows computer, programs built on Apollo work on any 
operating system.'

That just about says it all.

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Better diff tool that change bars?

[Molly Keegan]

Hi All,

 

I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
do?  Thanks!

 

Molly Keegan 

 

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switched printers -- now HelvObl prints with extra slant

[L MORITSUGU]

Hi,

I'm using FM 6.5, Mac, in Classic. I was printing to a Laserwriter Select 
360, through an AsanteTalk bridge, and everything looked as it should.


I've just switched to a Lexmark E120n laser printer. Now it prints Helvetica 
bold oblique and Helvetica oblique with an additional slant. (I have not 
checked if this is also happening with other fonts.)


I've reinstalled the fonts, then installed a different version (from a 
colleague) of the fonts into the System 9 Fonts folder, and restarted FM, 
with no change.


This also happened, before I switched the printers (machines), when I made 
pdfs from the FM files, either using a.) Save as, then Distiller, or b.) 
Print to file, then Distiller.


It's probably something obvious, but I don't get it. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Louise Moritsugu


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Re: OT: An interesting article about Microsoft vs. Adobe

[Chris Borokowski]

Gosh, you said it, and I agree wholeheartedly. The
field is cluttered enough already, and I'm not sure of
the demonstrable need for either one of these. Users
will watch television when they want television, but
on the web they want function, even if that function
is chat rooms, forums, pornography and flaming each
other on wikipedia.

I don't know if Microsoft has clued in yet that their
monopolistic practices are alienating users, just like
Apple did when it defined its own version of every
standard it touched. I think I detest Apple more, but
fear Microsoft more, although the W3 standards people
come a close second ;)

--- Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 This is all we need: yet another set of web
 'standards'.


User Interface design blog
http://user-advocacy.blogspot.com/
Code::Design::UI::Consulting
http://www.dionysius.com/

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Re: Better diff tool that change bars?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:

I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
do?  Thanks!

Use the diff tool in Frame ;-) (File - Utilities - Compare documents)

-- 
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Re: Better diff tool that change bars?

[jopakent]

I generally do what Steve suggests. I run the compare utility on the old book 
versus the new book. Then I collect all of the newly created files 
(file1cmp.fm, file2cmp.fm, etc.) and create a new book with them. I use the 
existing graphics, TOC, and index files and then PDF the whole mess for the 
reviewers.

Works pretty well, although sometimes there are a lot of phantom changes caused 
by name changes to linked graphics and the like. I've developed some search 
techniques that show the change bars, insert, and delete conditions and when my 
reviewers want a better road map of the actual changes, I to that extra 
scrubbing as well.

Regards

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206-383-0539

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From: Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
 
 I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
 the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
 reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
 regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
 complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
 satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
 do?  Thanks!
 
 Use the diff tool in Frame ;-) (File - Utilities - Compare documents)
 
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Re: Better diff tool that change bars?

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Molly:

If you're circulating your documents as PDFs, take a look at Acrobat's 
review-cycle feature, and also the document comparison feature that has 
several levels of granularity. Acrobat 8 can enable PDF documents for 
comments by users who view the documents with Reader 8 or Reader 7, so 
users don't need full Acrobat.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
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At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
  

I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
do?  Thanks!


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Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Framers,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain or
fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we insert
one style of table, both the table and
the table title will go all the way to across the side head area. When we
insert another table style, they don't. Both table styles and the table
title style are set to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of
course).

When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still goes
all the way across the side head area.

We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so I
indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main text.
That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title being
indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in starts at
the main text margin instead of across the
side head area.

The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text area,
not in the side head area.

I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
area. What controls this?

Thanks in advance!


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
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Re: Table title alignment oddity

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:13 -0600 18/4/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain or
fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles.

Wasn't something like this discussed here quite recently? Linda - have you 
looked in the archive? There's a thread titled 'Clarification of table title 
problem' that might be helpful to you.

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RE: Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Steve,

Thanks for the steer. I did just find that thread in the Oct archive, but it
doesn't deal with side heads. I *think* what I'm seeing is a little
different. 


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-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:19 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Table title alignment oddity

At 11:13 -0600 18/4/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain or
fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles.

Wasn't something like this discussed here quite recently? Linda - have you
looked in the archive? There's a thread titled 'Clarification of table title
problem' that might be helpful to you.

-- 
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RE: Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

 
The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

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-Original Message-
From: Van Boening, Tammy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

For the table title, do you have the pagination set to in column or
across all columns and sideheads? 

TVB


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Property and Casualty Division
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:13 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table title alignment oddity

Framers,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain
or fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we
insert one style of table, both the table and the table title will go
all the way to across the side head area. When we insert another table
style, they don't. Both table styles and the table title style are set
to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of course).

When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still
goes all the way across the side head area.

We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so
I indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main
text.
That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title
being indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in
starts at the main text margin instead of across the side head area.

The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text
area, not in the side head area.

I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
area. What controls this?

Thanks in advance!


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates

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Another missing fonts question

[Cadel_Janice]

I inherited some documentation, and I get an error message The
Frutiger-Black Font is not available.  Does anyone know where I can
download that font for free or does anyone know anything about that
font.  I am using FM 7.2 unstructured.

Thanks,
Janice


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RE: Table title alignment oddity

[Van Boening, Tammy]

As crazy it sounds, do you have a special tag for the table anchor - if
so, what is its pagination properties?  


Tammy L. Van Boening
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-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:52 PM
To: Van Boening, Tammy; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

 
The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

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-Original Message-
From: Van Boening, Tammy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

For the table title, do you have the pagination set to in column or
across all columns and sideheads? 

TVB


Tammy L. Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:13 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table title alignment oddity

Framers,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain
or fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we
insert one style of table, both the table and the table title will go
all the way to across the side head area. When we insert another table
style, they don't. Both table styles and the table title style are set
to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of course).

When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still
goes all the way across the side head area.

We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so
I indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main
text.
That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title
being indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in
starts at the main text margin instead of across the side head area.

The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text
area, not in the side head area.

I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
area. What controls this?

Thanks in advance!


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates

Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
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RE: Another missing fonts question

[Combs, Richard]

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 I inherited some documentation, and I get an error message 
 The Frutiger-Black Font is not available.  Does anyone 
 know where I can download that font for free or does anyone 
 know anything about that font.  I am using FM 7.2 unstructured.

The original Frutiger fonts are from Linotype. You can buy the one you
need, or a family of different weights and styles, from Linotype, Adobe,
or font resellers like MyFonts.com. Single fonts start at $24 at the
latter.

There may be free versions, but I'd advise buying from a reputable
source, especially for business use. Freebies are frequently
poor-quality ripoffs that come with ethical, aesthetic, and sometimes
technical problems. 

A Google search for Frutiger will point you toward lots of information
about the font and its designer. Fonts have to be designed, remember,
and the people who do that deserve to be paid. 

Richard


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Re: Table title alignment oddity

[Stuart Rogers]

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

Framers,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain or
fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we insert
one style of table, both the table and
the table title will go all the way to across the side head area. When we
insert another table style, they don't. Both table styles and the table
title style are set to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of
course).

When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still goes
all the way across the side head area.

We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so I
indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main text.
That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title being
indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in starts at
the main text margin instead of across the
side head area.

The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text area,
not in the side head area.

I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
area. What controls this?



Have you tried anchoring the tables in their own pgfs, either in column, 
or across all columns and sideheads and with the .25 indent? (I don't 
know why your problem is occurring, but one of these might at least work 
around it. If you use the negative space above/below trick, you don't 
end up with any unwanted white space.)


best,

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Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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 Others must fail.

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Doc Architecture Challenge: Linking Between Books

[Angela Akridge]

Hi!

I have an architecture challenge. I have two FrameMaker 7.2 (Unstructured)
books:

- User's Guide
- Concepts Guide

The User's Guide refers to the Concepts Guide and vice versa. Currently,
this reference is simply a variable with the book's title. However, I'm
thinking about creating hyperlinks between the books (so that these links
show up in my WebWorks ePublisher Pro Help). The problem is, the books
deliver as two separate books. If a user downloads a pdf of one book, and
not the other, the links will not work. How does one get around this
problem? Does one simply use Acrobat Professional to merge the two books and
deliver one PDF? Is this a question for the WebWorks community?

Thank you,

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RE: Table title alignment oddity

[Combs, Richard]

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
 
 The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the 
 main text area, not in the side head area.

Are you sure? Really? Double-check this in Paragraph Designer's
Pagination tab. Are the anchor pgfs all set to In Column? It's not
enough that they _be_ in the column (via an indent setting, for
instance) -- are they _defined_ as In Column?
 
 I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is 
 inconsistent behavior of where tables and table titles align 
 in relation to side head area. What controls this?

The anchor pgf is supposed to control this. I've just confirmed this in
my current doc. We anchor tables in TableAnchor pgfs, which are set on
the Pagination tab to Across All Columns and Side Heads. 

A left-aligned table anchored in a TableAnchor pgf starts at the text
frame edge (in the sidehead area) plus its Left Indent. The Title frame
above it starts at the text frame edge (in the sidehead area), too, and
the TableTitle pgf in it is indented by its Left Indent amount. 

If I change the table's anchor pgf from TableAnchor to FigAnchor (which
is set to In Column), both the table and its Title frame jump rightward
into the text column. 

If you have two tables anchored in identical In Column anchor pgfs, and
one aligns left across the sidehead area and the other doesn't, I think
you've found a real bug. 

Later, Linda also wrote:

 The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

That setting actually is irrelevant. The title pgf is in its own text
frame (if you work with View  Borders on -- and you should, IMHO --
you'll see it). That frame has a single column with no sidehead. You
can't change it, either. 

You can control the placement of the title pgf within the Title frame
using its indent settings. 

HTH!
Richard


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Looking for a documentation portal example

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Folks,

we all know the benefits of creating and publishing books using
FrameMaker, especially since PDF creation is mostly harmless. Also,
FrameMaker documents are a good source for HTML conversion processes, if
 one follows the structure or template.

A company with a lot of modules (software or hardware) nowadays usually
has a website where all the latest PDF files are available for download.

But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that information in HTML
format: better navigation options, more efficient search, search across
all modules. It seems to me HTML would be better for many tasks, but
printing.

Have you seen such a (public) documentation portal? I am looking around
myself, but would be thankful for every link you can give me.

Thanks a lot,

- Michael


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Re: Looking for a documentation portal example

[Chris Borokowski]

You're right, but people like PDFs because they're
portable. Most that I know have at least one directory
stuffed with PDFs for fast reference, or catching up
on that international plane flight when net access is
not possible.

I favor having both if possible, if for no other
reason that Google can find and correctly index masses
of HTML pages (its PDF indexing is good but doesn't
seem to understand the different search priorities of
entities in the document, making it like an ASCII file
in terms of rankings).

--- Michael Müller-Hillebrand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that
 information in HTML
 format: better navigation options, more efficient
 search, search across
 all modules. It seems to me HTML would be better for
 many tasks, but
 printing.


User Interface design blog
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Code::Design::UI::Consulting
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RE: Looking for a documentation portal example

[Combs, Richard]

Michael Müller-Hillebrand
 
 A company with a lot of modules (software or hardware) 
 nowadays usually has a website where all the latest PDF files 
 are available for download.
 
 But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that information in HTML
 format: better navigation options, more efficient search, 
 search across all modules. It seems to me HTML would be 
 better for many tasks, but printing.
 
 Have you seen such a (public) documentation portal? I am 
 looking around myself, but would be thankful for every link 
 you can give me.

I've recently been using Cisco's, and I think it's rather nicely done. Here's 
where I started:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/support/tsd_documentation.html  

Everything I needed was available as web pages, with pretty decent navigation 
on the left. But the topics all seemed to have Download this chapter and 
Download the complete book links to PDFs.

Now, if only the stuff I needed were easy to understand. ;-)

Richard


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RE: Looking for a documentation portal example

[John Sgammato]

IMO The US Internal Revenue Service has excellent online documentation portal:
http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/index.html  

Also interesting - the NY Times has a cool feature that I would love to be able 
to replicate in my documentation: doubleclick any word in any article and it 
opens a dictionary or encyclopedia entry for it. 
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missing UI font

[obair81]

After installing CS2, I get an Adobe UI font missing error when I start 
Illustrator, and the fonts in my dialog boxes in Frame all look dark and bold 
now.

Does anyone know how I can solve this?

Thanks.

Paul

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Re: Better diff tool that change bars?

[John Posada]

Acrobat 8 can enable PDF documents

Acrobat 7 also


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Re: Looking for a documentation portal example

[Art Campbell]

The company I recently started working for, Color Kinetics, has a not
bad delivery portal.

Disclaimer: Only a couple items here are mine. All typos, weird
wording, etc., originated elsewhere. ;- )

And on format: PDF is still classed as a terminal format in that
it's relatively hard to modify. HTML, by comparison, is pretty easy to
break if you don't happen to have the right mix of browser and add-ins
loaded.

Art

On 4/18/07, Michael Müller-Hillebrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Folks,

we all know the benefits of creating and publishing books using
FrameMaker, especially since PDF creation is mostly harmless. Also,
FrameMaker documents are a good source for HTML conversion processes, if
 one follows the structure or template.

A company with a lot of modules (software or hardware) nowadays usually
has a website where all the latest PDF files are available for download.

But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that information in HTML
format: better navigation options, more efficient search, search across
all modules. It seems to me HTML would be better for many tasks, but
printing.

Have you seen such a (public) documentation portal? I am looking around
myself, but would be thankful for every link you can give me.

Thanks a lot,

- Michael



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RE: Looking for a documentation portal example

[John Sgammato]

How much of that can be controlled by providing a good print.css file and a 
button for it? 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Posada
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To: Michael Müller-Hillebrand; Framers
Subject: Re: Looking for a documentation portal example

 A company with a lot of modules (software or hardware) nowadays 
 usually has a website where all the latest PDF files are available for 
 download.

we do.

 But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that information in HTML
 format: better navigation options, more efficient search, search

no.

Why? When I post a manual for my product, content is one thing I'm interested 
in. However, I'm also interested in having control over what you see is what I 
sent. I don't want to take the chance that you are going to look at my $250,000 
software's 200 page configuration manual in a browser I couldn't forsee and see 
something distorted. I don't want to know that because of something I have no 
control over, images don't show, show poorly, or appear somewhere I hadn't 
expected.

for many tasks, but printing.

You make that seem like a minor point. I want to know that when you click the 
print button, you're going to get what I want...fonts and everything.

I can give you wonderful navigation in PDF. Acrobat has wonderful search 
facilities. HTML wouldn't buy me anything.

Besides...if I was to offer my manual in HTML, I'd have to include a complete 
directory hierarchy and possibly hundreds of files, scripts, images, etc.

We happen to offer alot of our background reference documentation in HTML on 
the CD and installed when you install the product. However, this is for 
material where presentation doesn't matter...you want a command line syntax or 
the meaning of a term. However, where presenatation matters, it stays PDF.

John Posada
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Resize anchored frame to fit graphic

[White, William]

Drat - What's the short cut key sequence for this on FM 7.x and Win XP?

I'm sure I seen it recently.

Also, where can I find a comprehensive list of short cuts? There seem to
be a fair number missing from the Quick Reference Card. 

 

Any help greatly appreciated

 

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Adjusting dialog box sizes in Framemaker?

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Argh, I know that this topic has been covered before, but the archives
keep timing out on my right now and my google search has resulted in
zilch. Isn't there a plugin available from someone/somewhere that allows
you to adjust the sizes of dialog boxes in Framemaker? Like, right now,
when my books are generating/updating, I cannot for the life of me see
the whole path/file name and I need to. Also, in the PDF Setup dialog
box, I have to scroll to see all my bookmarks, and I want to be able to
see them all in one view so that I can make sure that I have  my
indentation levels set up correctly before generating the .pdf.

TIA,

TVB

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RE: Conditional Text Question - Resolved

[Sam Beard]

All,

   Thanks VERY much to Tammy Van Boening, Gillian Flato, and William
Abernathy who helped me to resolve this problem! I mostly lurk here,
only chiming in when I feel I have something useful to add. But, it's
people like these three, as well as many others on both this list and
Techwr-l that help me out quite a bit. I've gotten some VERY useful info
from both lists. You guys are great and a great help!

Thanks again,

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Subject: Conditional Text Question

Hello All,

 

   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.

 

   I have a question concerning conditional text. I'm cross-referencing
a chapter that uses conditional text in it, as such: 2240AB, where there
are two models of the equipment, 2240A and 2240B. I've marked the A and
B as conditional text because I'm generating two product manuals from
one master book. However, in a cross-reference, both the A and B are
showing up instead of showing only the appropriate one for the product
manual. Does the conditional text not carry-over in cross-references? 

 

Thanks much in advance,

 

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RE: Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Not crazy. We don't currently have a dedicated anchor tag (lots of legacy
content), but the para tag the tables are anchored to, in all instances, are
also set to In Column. 


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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

As crazy it sounds, do you have a special tag for the table anchor - if
so, what is its pagination properties?  


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Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

 
The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

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-Original Message-
From: Van Boening, Tammy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

For the table title, do you have the pagination set to in column or
across all columns and sideheads? 

TVB


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table title alignment oddity

Framers,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain
or fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we
insert one style of table, both the table and the table title will go
all the way to across the side head area. When we insert another table
style, they don't. Both table styles and the table title style are set
to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of course).

When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still
goes all the way across the side head area.

We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so
I indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main
text.
That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title
being indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in
starts at the main text margin instead of across the side head area.

The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text
area, not in the side head area.

I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
area. What controls this?

Thanks in advance!


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Re: Resize anchored frame to fit graphic

[Rick Quatro]

Escape m p

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585-659-8267
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Drat - What's the short cut key sequence for this on FM 7.x and Win XP?

I'm sure I seen it recently.

Also, where can I find a comprehensive list of short cuts? There seem to
be a fair number missing from the Quick Reference Card. 


Any help greatly appreciated

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Re: Resize anchored frame to fit graphic

[Stuart Rogers]

White, William wrote:

Drat - What's the short cut key sequence for this on FM 7.x and Win XP?


Esc m p  (Escape fraMe wraP)



I'm sure I seen it recently.


I'm sure you done too ;-)



Also, where can I find a comprehensive list of short cuts? There seem to
be a fair number missing from the Quick Reference Card. 



I'll send you a treasure trove off-list.

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Re: Adjusting dialog box sizes in Framemaker?

[Stuart Rogers]

Van Boening, Tammy wrote:

Argh, I know that this topic has been covered before, but the archives
keep timing out on my right now and my google search has resulted in
zilch. Isn't there a plugin available from someone/somewhere that allows
you to adjust the sizes of dialog boxes in Framemaker? Like, right now,
when my books are generating/updating, I cannot for the life of me see
the whole path/file name and I need to. Also, in the PDF Setup dialog
box, I have to scroll to see all my bookmarks, and I want to be able to
see them all in one view so that I can make sure that I have  my
indentation levels set up correctly before generating the .pdf.


You can use ResHacker (cautiously! backup your files before messing with 
'em) http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/


Use it on the fmdlg.dll file in your fminit folder.

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RE: Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Well, maybe I've found a bug. I assure you the para tag the tables are
anchored to is set to In Column, but the frame for the table title goes to
the left side of the side head area when I insert a new table.

Some existing tables of this same style, anchored to the same para tag, have
the title frame aligned with the text, that is, not in the side head area.
Other existing tables similarly anchored have the title frame all the way to
the side head area.

So, when I set the table title style to indent, it works fine in tables I
insert and in some existing tables, but other existing tables end up
indenting the table title too much, because the title frame is only in the
main text area.

Reapplying the table style or para styles or anything else does not help get
all these tables of the same style to look the same.

To add to the fun, two different table styles, one set to 0 Left and the
other set to .25 Left, align identically. The title goes all the way through
the side head area, but the table starts in the main text area (not in the
side head). Both are anchored to the same para tag type. Are we having fun
yet???

It's making me a little nuts. =:o


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
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-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:18 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
 
 The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the 
 main text area, not in the side head area.

Are you sure? Really? Double-check this in Paragraph Designer's
Pagination tab. Are the anchor pgfs all set to In Column? It's not
enough that they _be_ in the column (via an indent setting, for
instance) -- are they _defined_ as In Column?
 
 I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is 
 inconsistent behavior of where tables and table titles align 
 in relation to side head area. What controls this?

The anchor pgf is supposed to control this. I've just confirmed this in
my current doc. We anchor tables in TableAnchor pgfs, which are set on
the Pagination tab to Across All Columns and Side Heads. 

A left-aligned table anchored in a TableAnchor pgf starts at the text
frame edge (in the sidehead area) plus its Left Indent. The Title frame
above it starts at the text frame edge (in the sidehead area), too, and
the TableTitle pgf in it is indented by its Left Indent amount. 

If I change the table's anchor pgf from TableAnchor to FigAnchor (which
is set to In Column), both the table and its Title frame jump rightward
into the text column. 

If you have two tables anchored in identical In Column anchor pgfs, and
one aligns left across the sidehead area and the other doesn't, I think
you've found a real bug. 

Later, Linda also wrote:

 The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

That setting actually is irrelevant. The title pgf is in its own text
frame (if you work with View  Borders on -- and you should, IMHO --
you'll see it). That frame has a single column with no sidehead. You
can't change it, either. 

You can control the placement of the title pgf within the Title frame
using its indent settings. 

HTH!
Richard


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Ann: Generating a list of paragraph tags with properties?

[frameus...@systec-gmbh.com]

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OT: An interesting article about Microsoft vs. Adobe

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Obviously, take with a grain of salt, but some interesting points,
nonetheless.

TVB

http://www.9news.com/money/article.aspx?storyid=68237

Tammy L. Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
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OT: An interesting article about Microsoft vs. Adobe

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:32 -0600 18/4/07, Van Boening, Tammy wrote:

>Obviously, take with a grain of salt, but some interesting points,
>nonetheless.

This is all we need: yet another set of web 'standards'.

The NYT site that the article refers to was a mess.

'While Microsoft's hybrid applications can only be built on a Windows computer, 
and will only run on a Windows computer, programs built on Apollo work on any 
operating system.'

That just about says it all.

-- 
Steve

Better diff tool that change bars?

[Molly Keegan]

Hi All,



I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
do?  Thanks!



Molly Keegan 

switched printers -- now HelvObl prints with extra slant

[L MORITSUGU]

Hi,

I'm using FM 6.5, Mac, in Classic. I was printing to a Laserwriter Select 
360, through an AsanteTalk bridge, and everything looked as it should.

I've just switched to a Lexmark E120n laser printer. Now it prints Helvetica 
bold oblique and Helvetica oblique with an additional slant. (I have not 
checked if this is also happening with other fonts.)

I've reinstalled the fonts, then installed a different version (from a 
colleague) of the fonts into the System 9 Fonts folder, and restarted FM, 
with no change.

This also happened, before I switched the printers (machines), when I made 
pdfs from the FM files, either using a.) Save as, then Distiller, or b.) 
Print to file, then Distiller.

It's probably something obvious, but I don't get it. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Louise Moritsugu

OT: An interesting article about Microsoft vs. Adobe

[Chris Borokowski]

Gosh, you said it, and I agree wholeheartedly. The
field is cluttered enough already, and I'm not sure of
the demonstrable need for either one of these. Users
will watch television when they want television, but
on the web they want function, even if that function
is chat rooms, forums, pornography and flaming each
other on wikipedia.

I don't know if Microsoft has clued in yet that their
monopolistic practices are alienating users, just like
Apple did when it defined its own version of every
standard it touched. I think I detest Apple more, but
fear Microsoft more, although the W3 standards people
come a close second ;)

--- Steve Rickaby 
wrote:

> This is all we need: yet another set of web
> 'standards'.


User Interface design blog
http://user-advocacy.blogspot.com/
Code::Design::UI::Consulting
http://www.dionysius.com/

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Better diff tool that change bars?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
>
>I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
>the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
>reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
>regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
>complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
>satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
>do?  Thanks!

Use the diff tool in Frame ;-) (File -> Utilities -> Compare documents)

-- 
Steve

Better diff tool that change bars?

[jopak...@comcast.net]

I generally do what Steve suggests. I run the compare utility on the old book 
versus the new book. Then I collect all of the newly created files 
(file1cmp.fm, file2cmp.fm, etc.) and create a new book with them. I use the 
existing graphics, TOC, and index files and then PDF the whole mess for the 
reviewers.

Works pretty well, although sometimes there are a lot of phantom changes caused 
by name changes to linked graphics and the like. I've developed some search 
techniques that show the change bars, insert, and delete conditions and when my 
reviewers want a "better" road map of the actual changes, I to that extra 
scrubbing as well.

Regards

--
J. Paul Kent
206-383-0539

 -- Original message --
From: Steve Rickaby 
> At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
> >
> >I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
> >the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
> >reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
> >regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
> >complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
> >satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
> >do?  Thanks!
> 
> Use the diff tool in Frame ;-) (File -> Utilities -> Compare documents)
> 
> -- 
> Steve
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Better diff tool that change bars?

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Molly:

If you're circulating your documents as PDFs, take a look at Acrobat's 
review-cycle feature, and also the document comparison feature that has 
several levels of granularity. Acrobat 8 can enable PDF documents for 
comments by users who view the documents with Reader 8 or Reader 7, so 
users don't need full Acrobat.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
> At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
>   
>> I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
>> the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
>> reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
>> regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
>> complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
>> satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
>> do?  Thanks!

Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Framers,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain or
fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we insert
one style of table, both the table and
the table title will go all the way to across the side head area. When we
insert another table style, they don't. Both table styles and the table
title style are set to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of
course).

When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still goes
all the way across the side head area.

We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so I
indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main text.
That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title being
indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in starts at
the main text margin instead of across the
side head area.

The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text area,
not in the side head area.

I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
area. What controls this?

Thanks in advance!


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 

Table title alignment oddity

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:13 -0600 18/4/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

>I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
>seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain or
>fix it. :o
>
>Our template has side heads set up and several table styles.

Wasn't something like this discussed here quite recently? Linda - have you 
looked in the archive? There's a thread titled 'Clarification of table title 
problem' that might be helpful to you.

-- 
Steve

Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Steve,

Thanks for the steer. I did just find that thread in the Oct archive, but it
doesn't deal with side heads. I *think* what I'm seeing is a little
different. 


~
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TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 


-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:19 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Table title alignment oddity

At 11:13 -0600 18/4/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

>I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
>seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain or
>fix it. :o
>
>Our template has side heads set up and several table styles.

Wasn't something like this discussed here quite recently? Linda - have you
looked in the archive? There's a thread titled 'Clarification of table title
problem' that might be helpful to you.

-- 
Steve

Table title alignment oddity

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:39 -0600 18/4/07, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

>Thanks for the steer. I did just find that thread in the Oct archive, but it
>doesn't deal with side heads. I *think* what I'm seeing is a little
>different.

Ah.. right. Sorry.

-- 
Steve

Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 


-Original Message-
From: Van Boening, Tammy [mailto:tammy.vanboen...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

For the table title, do you have the pagination set to in column or
across all columns and sideheads? 

TVB


Tammy L. Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
tammy.vanboening at fiserv.com
***
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv.com at lists.frameusers.com
] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:13 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table title alignment oddity

Framers,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain
or fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we
insert one style of table, both the table and the table title will go
all the way to across the side head area. When we insert another table
style, they don't. Both table styles and the table title style are set
to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of course).

When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still
goes all the way across the side head area.

We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so
I indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main
text.
That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title
being indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in
starts at the main text margin instead of across the side head area.

The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text
area, not in the side head area.

I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
area. What controls this?

Thanks in advance!


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates

Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
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Another missing fonts question

[cadel_jan...@emc.com]

I inherited some documentation, and I get an error message "The
"Frutiger-Black" Font is not available."  Does anyone know where I can
download that font for free or does anyone know anything about that
font.  I am using FM 7.2 unstructured.

Thanks,
Janice


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EMC, Inc.
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Conditional Text Question

[Sam Beard]

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.



   I have a question concerning conditional text. I'm cross-referencing
a chapter that uses conditional text in it, as such: 2240AB, where there
are two models of the equipment, 2240A and 2240B. I've marked the A and
B as conditional text because I'm generating two product manuals from
one master book. However, in a cross-reference, both the A and B are
showing up instead of showing only the appropriate one for the product
manual. Does the conditional text not carry-over in cross-references? 



Thanks much in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

Table title alignment oddity

[Van Boening, Tammy]

As crazy it sounds, do you have a special tag for the table anchor - if
so, what is its pagination properties?  


Tammy L. Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
tammy.vanboening at fiserv.com
***
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-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:52 PM
To: Van Boening, Tammy; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity


The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates

Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 


-Original Message-
From: Van Boening, Tammy [mailto:tammy.vanboen...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

For the table title, do you have the pagination set to in column or
across all columns and sideheads? 

TVB


Tammy L. Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
tammy.vanboening at fiserv.com
***
Keep smiling, at least until you get your own way.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv.com at lists.frameusers.com
] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:13 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table title alignment oddity

Framers,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain
or fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we
insert one style of table, both the table and the table title will go
all the way to across the side head area. When we insert another table
style, they don't. Both table styles and the table title style are set
to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of course).

When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still
goes all the way across the side head area.

We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so
I indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main
text.
That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title
being indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in
starts at the main text margin instead of across the side head area.

The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text
area, not in the side head area.

I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
area. What controls this?

Thanks in advance!


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates

Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
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Another missing fonts question

[Combs, Richard]

Cadel_Janice at emc.com wrote:

> I inherited some documentation, and I get an error message 
> "The "Frutiger-Black" Font is not available."  Does anyone 
> know where I can download that font for free or does anyone 
> know anything about that font.  I am using FM 7.2 unstructured.

The original Frutiger fonts are from Linotype. You can buy the one you
need, or a family of different weights and styles, from Linotype, Adobe,
or font resellers like MyFonts.com. Single fonts start at $24 at the
latter.

There may be free versions, but I'd advise buying from a reputable
source, especially for business use. Freebies are frequently
poor-quality ripoffs that come with ethical, aesthetic, and sometimes
technical problems. 

A Google search for "Frutiger" will point you toward lots of information
about the font and its designer. Fonts have to be designed, remember,
and the people who do that deserve to be paid. 

Richard


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Table title alignment oddity

[Stuart Rogers]

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
> Framers,
> 
> I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
> seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain or
> fix it. :o
> 
> Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we insert
> one style of table, both the table and
> the table title will go all the way to across the side head area. When we
> insert another table style, they don't. Both table styles and the table
> title style are set to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of
> course).
> 
> When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
> properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still goes
> all the way across the side head area.
> 
> We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so I
> indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main text.
> That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title being
> indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in starts at
> the main text margin instead of across the
> side head area.
> 
> The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text area,
> not in the side head area.
> 
> I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
> behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
> area. What controls this?
> 

Have you tried anchoring the tables in their own pgfs, either in column, 
or across all columns and sideheads and with the .25 indent? (I don't 
know why your problem is occurring, but one of these might at least work 
around it. If you use the negative space above/below trick, you don't 
end up with any unwanted white space.)

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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  Others must fail."

-- Oscar Wilde

Doc Architecture Challenge: Linking Between Books

[Angela Akridge]

Hi!

I have an architecture challenge. I have two FrameMaker 7.2 (Unstructured)
books:

- User's Guide
- Concepts Guide

The User's Guide refers to the Concepts Guide and vice versa. Currently,
this reference is simply a variable with the book's title. However, I'm
thinking about creating hyperlinks between the books (so that these links
show up in my WebWorks ePublisher Pro Help). The problem is, the books
deliver as two separate books. If a user downloads a pdf of one book, and
not the other, the links will not work. How does one get around this
problem? Does one simply use Acrobat Professional to merge the two books and
deliver one PDF? Is this a question for the WebWorks community?

Thank you,

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Table title alignment oddity

[Combs, Richard]

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the 
> main text area, not in the side head area.

Are you sure? Really? Double-check this in Paragraph Designer's
Pagination tab. Are the anchor pgfs all set to In Column? It's not
enough that they _be_ in the column (via an indent setting, for
instance) -- are they _defined_ as In Column?

> I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is 
> inconsistent behavior of where tables and table titles align 
> in relation to side head area. What controls this?

The anchor pgf is supposed to control this. I've just confirmed this in
my current doc. We anchor tables in TableAnchor pgfs, which are set on
the Pagination tab to Across All Columns and Side Heads. 

A left-aligned table anchored in a TableAnchor pgf starts at the text
frame edge (in the sidehead area) plus its Left Indent. The Title frame
above it starts at the text frame edge (in the sidehead area), too, and
the TableTitle pgf in it is indented by its Left Indent amount. 

If I change the table's anchor pgf from TableAnchor to FigAnchor (which
is set to In Column), both the table and its Title frame jump rightward
into the text column. 

If you have two tables anchored in identical In Column anchor pgfs, and
one aligns left across the sidehead area and the other doesn't, I think
you've found a real bug. 

Later, Linda also wrote:

> The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

That setting actually is irrelevant. The title pgf is in its own text
frame (if you work with View > Borders on -- and you should, IMHO --
you'll see it). That frame has a single column with no sidehead. You
can't change it, either. 

You can control the placement of the title pgf within the Title frame
using its indent settings. 

HTH!
Richard


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Looking for a documentation portal example

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Folks,

we all know the benefits of creating and publishing books using
FrameMaker, especially since PDF creation is "mostly harmless". Also,
FrameMaker documents are a good source for HTML conversion processes, if
 one follows the structure or template.

A company with a lot of modules (software or hardware) nowadays usually
has a website where all the latest PDF files are available for download.

But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that information in HTML
format: better navigation options, more efficient search, search across
all modules. It seems to me HTML would be better for many tasks, but
printing.

Have you seen such a (public) documentation portal? I am looking around
myself, but would be thankful for every link you can give me.

Thanks a lot,

- Michael

Looking for a documentation portal example

[Chris Borokowski]

You're right, but people like PDFs because they're
portable. Most that I know have at least one directory
stuffed with PDFs for fast reference, or catching up
on that international plane flight when net access is
not possible.

I favor having both if possible, if for no other
reason that Google can find and correctly index masses
of HTML pages (its PDF indexing is good but doesn't
seem to understand the different search priorities of
entities in the document, making it like an ASCII file
in terms of rankings).

--- Michael M?ller-Hillebrand 
wrote:

> But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that
> information in HTML
> format: better navigation options, more efficient
> search, search across
> all modules. It seems to me HTML would be better for
> many tasks, but
> printing.


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Looking for a documentation portal example

[Combs, Richard]

Michael M?ller-Hillebrand

> A company with a lot of modules (software or hardware) 
> nowadays usually has a website where all the latest PDF files 
> are available for download.
> 
> But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that information in HTML
> format: better navigation options, more efficient search, 
> search across all modules. It seems to me HTML would be 
> better for many tasks, but printing.
> 
> Have you seen such a (public) documentation portal? I am 
> looking around myself, but would be thankful for every link 
> you can give me.

I've recently been using Cisco's, and I think it's rather nicely done. Here's 
where I started:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/support/tsd_documentation.html  

Everything I needed was available as web pages, with pretty decent navigation 
on the left. But the topics all seemed to have "Download this chapter" and 
"Download the complete book" links to PDFs.

Now, if only the stuff I needed were easy to understand. ;-)

Richard


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Looking for a documentation portal example

[John Sgammato]

IMO The US Internal Revenue Service has excellent online documentation portal:
http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/index.html  

Also interesting - the NY Times has a cool feature that I would love to be able 
to replicate in my documentation: doubleclick any word in any article and it 
opens a dictionary or encyclopedia entry for it. 

missing UI font

[obai...@comcast.net]

After installing CS2, I get an "Adobe UI font missing" error when I start 
Illustrator, and the fonts in my dialog boxes in Frame all look dark and bold 
now.

Does anyone know how I can solve this?

Thanks.

Paul

Looking for a documentation portal example

[John Posada]

> A company with a lot of modules (software or hardware) nowadays
> usually
> has a website where all the latest PDF files are available for
> download.

we do.

> But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that information in HTML
> format: better navigation options, more efficient search, search

no.

Why? When I post a manual for my product, content is one thing I'm
interested in. However, I'm also interested in having control over
what you see is what I sent. I don't want to take the chance that you
are going to look at my $250,000 software's 200 page configuration
manual in a browser I couldn't forsee and see something distorted. I
don't want to know that because of something I have no control over,
images don't show, show poorly, or appear somewhere I hadn't
expected.

>for many tasks, but printing.

You make that seem like a minor point. I want to know that when you
click the print button, you're going to get what I want...fonts and
everything.

I can give you wonderful navigation in PDF. Acrobat has wonderful
search facilities. HTML wouldn't buy me anything.

Besides...if I was to offer my manual in HTML, I'd have to include a
complete directory hierarchy and possibly hundreds of files, scripts,
images, etc.

We happen to offer alot of our background reference documentation in
HTML on the CD and installed when you install the product. However,
this is for material where presentation doesn't matter...you want a
command line syntax or the meaning of a term. However, where
presenatation matters, it stays PDF.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever.
So far, so good."

Better diff tool that change bars?

[John Posada]

>Acrobat 8 can enable PDF documents

Acrobat 7 also


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever.
So far, so good."

Looking for a documentation portal example

[Art Campbell]

The company I recently started working for, Color Kinetics, has a "not
bad" delivery portal.

Disclaimer: Only a couple items here are mine. All typos, weird
wording, etc., originated elsewhere. ;- )

And on format: PDF is still classed as a "terminal format" in that
it's relatively hard to modify. HTML, by comparison, is pretty easy to
break if you don't happen to have the right mix of browser and add-ins
loaded.

Art

On 4/18/07, Michael M?ller-Hillebrand  wrote:
> Folks,
>
> we all know the benefits of creating and publishing books using
> FrameMaker, especially since PDF creation is "mostly harmless". Also,
> FrameMaker documents are a good source for HTML conversion processes, if
>  one follows the structure or template.
>
> A company with a lot of modules (software or hardware) nowadays usually
> has a website where all the latest PDF files are available for download.
>
> But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that information in HTML
> format: better navigation options, more efficient search, search across
> all modules. It seems to me HTML would be better for many tasks, but
> printing.
>
> Have you seen such a (public) documentation portal? I am looking around
> myself, but would be thankful for every link you can give me.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> - Michael
>

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gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Looking for a documentation portal example

[John Sgammato]

How much of that can be controlled by providing a good print.css file and a 
button for it? 

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From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of John Posada
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:58 PM
To: Michael "M?ller-Hillebrand; Framers
Subject: Re: Looking for a documentation portal example

> A company with a lot of modules (software or hardware) nowadays 
> usually has a website where all the latest PDF files are available for 
> download.

we do.

> But, wouldn't it be desirable to have all that information in HTML
> format: better navigation options, more efficient search, search

no.

Why? When I post a manual for my product, content is one thing I'm interested 
in. However, I'm also interested in having control over what you see is what I 
sent. I don't want to take the chance that you are going to look at my $250,000 
software's 200 page configuration manual in a browser I couldn't forsee and see 
something distorted. I don't want to know that because of something I have no 
control over, images don't show, show poorly, or appear somewhere I hadn't 
expected.

>for many tasks, but printing.

You make that seem like a minor point. I want to know that when you click the 
print button, you're going to get what I want...fonts and everything.

I can give you wonderful navigation in PDF. Acrobat has wonderful search 
facilities. HTML wouldn't buy me anything.

Besides...if I was to offer my manual in HTML, I'd have to include a complete 
directory hierarchy and possibly hundreds of files, scripts, images, etc.

We happen to offer alot of our background reference documentation in HTML on 
the CD and installed when you install the product. However, this is for 
material where presentation doesn't matter...you want a command line syntax or 
the meaning of a term. However, where presenatation matters, it stays PDF.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever.
So far, so good."
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Resize anchored frame to fit graphic

[White, William]

Drat - What's the short cut key sequence for this on FM 7.x and Win XP?

I'm sure I seen it recently.

Also, where can I find a comprehensive list of short cuts? There seem to
be a fair number missing from the Quick Reference Card. 



Any help greatly appreciated



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Adjusting dialog box sizes in Framemaker?

[Van Boening, Tammy]

Argh, I know that this topic has been covered before, but the archives
keep timing out on my right now and my google search has resulted in
zilch. Isn't there a plugin available from someone/somewhere that allows
you to adjust the sizes of dialog boxes in Framemaker? Like, right now,
when my books are generating/updating, I cannot for the life of me see
the whole path/file name and I need to. Also, in the PDF Setup dialog
box, I have to scroll to see all my bookmarks, and I want to be able to
see them all in one view so that I can make sure that I have  my
indentation levels set up correctly before generating the .pdf.

TIA,

TVB

Tammy L. Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
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Conditional Text Question - Resolved

[Sam Beard]

All,

   Thanks VERY much to Tammy Van Boening, Gillian Flato, and William
Abernathy who helped me to resolve this problem! I mostly lurk here,
only chiming in when I feel I have something useful to add. But, it's
people like these three, as well as many others on both this list and
Techwr-l that help me out quite a bit. I've gotten some VERY useful info
from both lists. You guys are great and a great help!

Thanks again,

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Sam Beard
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Conditional Text Question

Hello All,



   I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP.



   I have a question concerning conditional text. I'm cross-referencing
a chapter that uses conditional text in it, as such: 2240AB, where there
are two models of the equipment, 2240A and 2240B. I've marked the A and
B as conditional text because I'm generating two product manuals from
one master book. However, in a cross-reference, both the A and B are
showing up instead of showing only the appropriate one for the product
manual. Does the conditional text not carry-over in cross-references? 



Thanks much in advance,



Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com





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Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Not crazy. We don't currently have a dedicated anchor tag (lots of legacy
content), but the para tag the tables are anchored to, in all instances, are
also set to In Column. 


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-Original Message-
From: Van Boening, Tammy [mailto:tammy.vanboen...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

As crazy it sounds, do you have a special tag for the table anchor - if
so, what is its pagination properties?  


Tammy L. Van Boening
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Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
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-Original Message-
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lin...@techcomplus.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:52 PM
To: Van Boening, Tammy; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity


The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

~
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-Original Message-
From: Van Boening, Tammy [mailto:tammy.vanboen...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

For the table title, do you have the pagination set to in column or
across all columns and sideheads? 

TVB


Tammy L. Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+tammy.vanboening=fiserv.com at lists.frameusers.com
] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:13 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table title alignment oddity

Framers,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this. My client and I are both
seeing this odd and inconsistent behavior and neither of us can explain
or fix it. :o

Our template has side heads set up and several table styles. When we
insert one style of table, both the table and the table title will go
all the way to across the side head area. When we insert another table
style, they don't. Both table styles and the table title style are set
to 0 First and 0 Left indents (table only has Left, of course).

When we indent the table style that goes across by .25 inches, it aligns
properly (side head area is just .25 inches), but the table title still
goes all the way across the side head area.

We don't want these tables or titles to go across the side head area, so
I indented the table title style, too, to make it align with the main
text.
That worked for the most part, but sometimes that results in the title
being indented .25 from the main text because the box the title is in
starts at the main text margin instead of across the side head area.

The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the main text
area, not in the side head area.

I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is inconsistent
behavior of where tables and table titles align in relation to side head
area. What controls this?

Thanks in advance!


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Resize anchored frame to fit graphic

[Rick Quatro]

Escape m p

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Drat - What's the short cut key sequence for this on FM 7.x and Win XP?

I'm sure I seen it recently.

Also, where can I find a comprehensive list of short cuts? There seem to
be a fair number missing from the Quick Reference Card. 

Any help greatly appreciated

 Will White 

One Lambda, Inc

Resize anchored frame to fit graphic

[Stuart Rogers]

White, William wrote:
> Drat - What's the short cut key sequence for this on FM 7.x and Win XP?

Esc m p  (Escape fraMe wraP)

> 
> I'm sure I seen it recently.

I'm sure you done too ;-)

> 
> Also, where can I find a comprehensive list of short cuts? There seem to
> be a fair number missing from the Quick Reference Card. 
> 

I'll send you a treasure trove off-list.

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Toronto, ON, Canada
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Adjusting dialog box sizes in Framemaker?

[Stuart Rogers]

Van Boening, Tammy wrote:
> Argh, I know that this topic has been covered before, but the archives
> keep timing out on my right now and my google search has resulted in
> zilch. Isn't there a plugin available from someone/somewhere that allows
> you to adjust the sizes of dialog boxes in Framemaker? Like, right now,
> when my books are generating/updating, I cannot for the life of me see
> the whole path/file name and I need to. Also, in the PDF Setup dialog
> box, I have to scroll to see all my bookmarks, and I want to be able to
> see them all in one view so that I can make sure that I have  my
> indentation levels set up correctly before generating the .pdf.

You can use ResHacker (cautiously! backup your files before messing with 
'em) http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/

Use it on the fmdlg.dll file in your fminit folder.

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Resize anchored frame to fit graphic

[Ridder, Fred]

The mnemonic actually stands for "mathematics package",
since the feature was originally designed to package graphics
that were in-line equations. 

And it's probably worthwhile pointing out that the standard
command changes the position attribute of the anchored frame
to be "at insertion point" regardless of how you had previously
set it. This is exactly appropriate behavior when handling 
in-line equations, but it's a PITA most of the rest of the time.
There is, however, a free plug-in that changes the behavior 
of the same Escape command sequence to fit the frame to 
the graphic *without* changing the frame's position attribute. 
The author of the plug-in prefers to remain anonymous, but 
has made the DLL available from listmember Carla Martinek's 
website. Go to 
http://martinek.us/shrinkwrap.html
for the ShrinkWrapAsIs plug-in. Works great, but if you don't 
like it (and you've got an appropriate compiler handy) you 
can use the provided source code to make your own DLL
that does *exactly* what you want.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:45 PM
To: White, William
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Resize anchored frame to fit graphic

White, William wrote:
> Drat - What's the short cut key sequence for this on FM 7.x and Win
XP?

Esc m p  (Escape fraMe wraP)

> 
> I'm sure I seen it recently.

I'm sure you done too ;-)

> 
> Also, where can I find a comprehensive list of short cuts? There seem
to
> be a fair number missing from the Quick Reference Card. 
> 

I'll send you a treasure trove off-list.

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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  Others must fail."

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Table title alignment oddity

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Well, maybe I've found a bug. I assure you the para tag the tables are
anchored to is set to In Column, but the frame for the table title goes to
the left side of the side head area when I insert a new table.

Some existing tables of this same style, anchored to the same para tag, have
the title frame aligned with the text, that is, not in the side head area.
Other existing tables similarly anchored have the title frame all the way to
the side head area.

So, when I set the table title style to indent, it works fine in tables I
insert and in some existing tables, but other existing tables end up
indenting the table title too much, because the title frame is only in the
main text area.

Reapplying the table style or para styles or anything else does not help get
all these tables of the same style to look the same.

To add to the fun, two different table styles, one set to 0 Left and the
other set to .25 Left, align identically. The title goes all the way through
the side head area, but the table starts in the main text area (not in the
side head). Both are anchored to the same para tag type. Are we having fun
yet???

It's making me a little nuts. =:o


~
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-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:18 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table title alignment oddity

Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> The tables are all anchored to paragraphs that are in the 
> main text area, not in the side head area.

Are you sure? Really? Double-check this in Paragraph Designer's
Pagination tab. Are the anchor pgfs all set to In Column? It's not
enough that they _be_ in the column (via an indent setting, for
instance) -- are they _defined_ as In Column?

> I hope this is making sense. The crux of the problem is 
> inconsistent behavior of where tables and table titles align 
> in relation to side head area. What controls this?

The anchor pgf is supposed to control this. I've just confirmed this in
my current doc. We anchor tables in TableAnchor pgfs, which are set on
the Pagination tab to Across All Columns and Side Heads. 

A left-aligned table anchored in a TableAnchor pgf starts at the text
frame edge (in the sidehead area) plus its Left Indent. The Title frame
above it starts at the text frame edge (in the sidehead area), too, and
the TableTitle pgf in it is indented by its Left Indent amount. 

If I change the table's anchor pgf from TableAnchor to FigAnchor (which
is set to In Column), both the table and its Title frame jump rightward
into the text column. 

If you have two tables anchored in identical In Column anchor pgfs, and
one aligns left across the sidehead area and the other doesn't, I think
you've found a real bug. 

Later, Linda also wrote:

> The table title is set to In Column. Forgot to mention that. 

That setting actually is irrelevant. The title pgf is in its own text
frame (if you work with View > Borders on -- and you should, IMHO --
you'll see it). That frame has a single column with no sidehead. You
can't change it, either. 

You can control the placement of the title pgf within the Title frame
using its indent settings. 

HTH!
Richard


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Richard G. Combs
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[Scott Prentice]

We have a free plugin that generates a list of all shortcuts available 
on your Frame install .. this ends up being a 30-40 page FM file, and is 
generated based on the commands and plugins currently installed.

http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/listshortcuts.php

Cheers!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



White, William wrote:
> Drat - What's the short cut key sequence for this on FM 7.x and Win XP?
>
> I'm sure I seen it recently.
>
> Also, where can I find a comprehensive list of short cuts? There seem to
> be a fair number missing from the Quick Reference Card. 
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> Any help greatly appreciated
>
>  
>
> Will White 
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> One Lambda, Inc
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