Re: [FRIAM] Semi-final note on the Google Nexus 4

[Gillian Densmore]

Nice post!
I'd lean twards arrogance from google. I'm not unduly buged by them
probably using information I have on there system to atempt to market to me.
I'll be voting with my wallet for my next phone though as if I get a
smartphone when I'm elidgable for a upgrade i'm leaning to a iphone the
droid I had was wonderful in many reguards but built on substandard
hardware that started to show quirks (before it was pilfered that is).
Good luck though.

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> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/01/semi-final-note-on-nexus-4.html
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Re: [FRIAM] cloud backup recomendations wanted

[Gillian Densmore]

While investigating cloud back up I ran across a outfit called cloudswave (
cloudswave <http://www.cloudswave.com>)-who pointed me to there service
called box+ I've only done a bit of poking and proding it looks like the
use quite a bit of the google ecology where it gets interesting though is
they offer either a terabyte of storage for just under 20 a month. Compared
to googles 45 for the same amount of space I have no idea how they can
afford that.
They also claim they have some sort of app that can work with a desktop app
for colaberation-
One pro for google is brand name recognition I was in a meeting today and
the lady I asked the lady I was talking to if she'd accept a link pointing
to  google drive she delitedly said oh sure. I'm not sure i'd get the same
instant: aha that's a known work safe place reaction from google
competitors.
(even if they are cheeper)
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:

> I've run into the same problem as Dean (and used the recovery method
> Robert talks about, which, I assume, puts the files back in everyone's
> folder(s).)
>
> So does anyone know of a service whereby I can delete the file from my
> HD's folder, but not interfere with others?  Is FTP the only answer to date?
> -tom
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Dean Gerber  wrote:
>
>> We have used Dropbox somewhat successfully at SFAFS to coordinate
>> assignments and other data in our Science Fair Judging project.  It is
>> vital to understand that shared folders can be fully edited (including
>> deleting!) by one and all in the sharing group, so that without good
>> discipline and understanding things can run amok.  For example, if one
>> group member deletes a file from a shared folder, that file is deleted from
>> every folder in the group.  It is gone.  This works independently of OS
>> file permissions.  Dropbox is not really suitable for collaborative
>> development because of this. [image: *~X( at wits' end]
>>
>> --Dean
>>
>>   --
>> *From:* Barry MacKichan 
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:05 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] cloud backup recomendations wanted
>>
>> DropBox syncs files between as many computers as you like, using the
>> cloud. DropBox folders can be shared with as many people as you invite. It
>> does not provide its own editing capabilities.
>>
>> If you want to share an Illustrator file with someone, drag it into the
>> shared DropBox subfolder. It will automatically appear in the corresponding
>> subfolder on the other person's computer. She can then edit it with
>> Illustrator.
>>
>> Another option is Evernote. The free version is restricted in the files
>> it will allow as attachments to notes, but I understand that the paid
>> version allows any file as an attachment to a note. The sharing is similar
>> to that of DropBox; it is by invitation.
>>
>> --Barry
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:41 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all
>> > In light of some issues I have been running into with google drive I
>> wondered what else is out there for cloud back ups that also permits
>> Collaboration by this I meen that I want to be able to send someone a URL
>> where documents in popular formats are where they can read them and also be
>> able to edit them.
>> > I have seen some chatter about this on the list recently but I don't
>> know what places are good vs junk.
>> > I do have dropbox wich is awsome for somestuff I don't know if it has
>> baked in ways to allow editing of documents I tested it with a illustrator
>> file- it thought it was a picture but didn't understand the format.
>> > What are peoples experiences in this area? what places are good?
>> > -Gillian Densmore
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Re: [FRIAM] cloud backup recomendations wanted

[Gillian Densmore]

kicking the tires of skydrive like what I see so far. it could be useful as
part of my work flow-
I don't know what kind of limitations are on a free account. I'd need to
dig around to see if they have web and or cloud development and
collaboration tools- by that I meen I don't know if they have ways to test
PHP and or javascript code (for example) before it's live.
Thanks for the link.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:31 AM, siddharth  wrote:

> Or even Skydrive? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyDrive
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:40 AM, glen e. p. ropella  > wrote:
>
>>
>> If you haven't already considered it, SparkleShare might be interesting
>> to you:  http://sparkleshare.org/
>>
>> Gillian Densmore wrote at 02/20/2013 03:54 PM:
>> > While investigating cloud back up I ran across a outfit called
>> > cloudswave (cloudswave <http://www.cloudswave.com>)-who pointed me to
>> > there service called box+ I've only done a bit of poking and proding it
>> > looks like the use quite a bit of the google ecology where it gets
>> > interesting though is they offer either a terabyte of storage for just
>> > under 20 a month. Compared to googles 45 for the same amount of space I
>> > have no idea how they can afford that.
>> > They also claim they have some sort of app that can work with a desktop
>> > app for colaberation-
>> > One pro for google is brand name recognition I was in a meeting today
>> > and the lady I asked the lady I was talking to if she'd accept a link
>> > pointing to  google drive she delitedly said oh sure. I'm not sure i'd
>> > get the same instant: aha that's a known work safe place reaction from
>> > google competitors.
>> > (even if they are cheeper)
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] cloud backup recomendations wanted

[Gillian Densmore]

My workflow after getting a project-
Like update pictures for my blog is to resize the image and adjust colors
in photoshop then save it in a web friendly format and size- at the moment
i'll have  picasso running as a crude way to back up the original picture-

For text editing I'd be inclined to use openoffice-

for a just a plain HTML document notepad has served me well-

I don't know a good consistant way to share stuff with other students, and
are looking for a good best practice for how to share documents for when I
get into the scary thing called the reel world with coleagues and friends

Plus I stared long and hard at my computer and it acured to me that I don't
have good consistant way to keep a back up of files-google drive isn't a
bad start.


On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

> I don't think you ever described your workflow. If you do, we could
> probably be more helpful.
>
> ;; Gary
>
> On Feb 21, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
> > kicking the tires of skydrive like what I see so far. it could be useful
> as part of my work flow-
> > I don't know what kind of limitations are on a free account. I'd need to
> dig around to see if they have web and or cloud development and
> collaboration tools- by that I meen I don't know if they have ways to test
> PHP and or javascript code (for example) before it's live.
> > Thanks for the link.
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Gillian Densmore]

gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones that
> can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>
> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>
> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short
> list.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Doug --
>>
>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>
>>
>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>
>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
>> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
>> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
>> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>> but it didn't make it.
>>
>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>
>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>>> Browser:
>>> Firefox 18.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1280x800
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 15
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>>  IP Address:
>>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like I.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
> Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>>
>>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>>> and LG Nexus is?
>>>
>>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>>> and the Nexus line.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 There, fixed that.

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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Gillian Densmore]

Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that
hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible
lycos?)

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

> Chrome is nice, unless you need to run Java 7 applets or web start apps on
> a Mac. Chrome for Mac is 32-bit only, and Java 7 for Mac is 64-bit only.
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
>
> Where I think google does have identity is in the browser.  Chrome is abs
> fab, must have, and way ahead of the pack.  V8 redefined javascript.  So
> they do own their destiny there, although unfortunately for them, chrome is
> not pre-installed on mac and windows.  No problem for us but quite an issue
> for others.
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Gillian Densmore]

now to develop two algorithms:
One for dougs raves about scantily clad women in las vegas
and another for his rants about google. Maybe we can use this data in
something useful.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Cool it guys.  I'm in Vegas.  Sex on every corner.  Sex at every table.
>  Sex in the lobby.  Sex, sex, sex.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>>  Just to get it in before Doug can...
>>
>> I don't think it would have included a "happy ending".
>>
>> And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub'
>> name?
>> -Arlo James Barnes
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Mozilla to release Firefox phones - San Jose Mercury News

[Gillian Densmore]

Firefox OS, from alcatel onetouch fire gotsome postive reviews on a model
the reviewer could use the OS and phone were noted as feeling solid.-The
only real reason to leen twards Apple is the iphone has generaly faverable
reviews and apple has experience with tech support for hardware and OS.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Speaking about phones:
>
> http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_22671751/mozilla-release-firefox-phones
> I think, since Brendan Eich's becoming CTO, things are getting interesting
> at mozilla.  Asm.js for example, but even more this phone stunt.
>
> So if you had to buy a phone from one of the following, which would you
> choose?
>
> - Amazon
> - Apple
> - Google
> - Mozilla
> - Facebook/Twitter (I'm serious)
>
>
> Note I'm breaking the unholy trinity: no carrier specified, only OS &
> Handset provider.
>
>-- Owen
>
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[FRIAM] Interesting unlocking law?

[Gillian Densmore]

I was browsing google news came across a security bug in android and ios
but the interesting one is this Unlocking to be law(wsj
online)
Am I parsing this right that it will be law for cellphones not be bound to
a carrier if these lobiests have there say? I think thats how it works in
the rest of the world already-
Anyone have some insite into this.

Just for SNG:bypassing the security lock
screen

Doug I think think Android might have a few more issues for you to fix.

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Re: [FRIAM] Here's another one of those ponderous "cut and paste" html links

[Gillian Densmore]

I think I've seen something about that mod in the past-there's some others
out there as well-any opinions what's hot what's not?

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> For the two of you out there still using plain text mail clients, that is.
>
> For the more modern FRIAM entity, it's just a click:
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/cyanogenmod.html
>
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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

[Gillian Densmore]

Typical stomping grounds for philosophy but the practical issue is that
some of us object to looking at the clock and being told by a dead
president from a while back that it isn't 830 at night it's actualy 930 at
night and it's about that time to unwind. Some states and few reservations
seem to get along just fine w/o that nonsense. I know the rest of us can
it's not as if sudenly the dynamics of how the earth rotates in
relationship to the sun dramitcly changed- at least not sufficiently to
warrent a flip flop.

As to time being a construct- that's a mix of philosphy and at least
theoretical cosmotology- I can't remember where I read it some famous
person stated fairly certainly that the thermo dynamic sense of time and a
potential carrier particle of some sort interacting with us (ie humans and
the 3rd rock from the sun) such that while events do have a astronomicly
small chance to accur out of sequence that by and large it seems as if they
must happen in a certain order. The only exception is if we were
significantly closer to the galactic core where that might not be true. for
reasons I don't understand something having to do with the quanta of time
being less stable than it is where our solar system is located.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Parks, Raymond  wrote:

>  "Time.  Time is an artificial construct.  An idea based on the theory
> that events occur in a linear direction, at all times.  Always forward,
> never back.  Is the concept of time correct?  Is time relevant?"
>
>Ray Parks
> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Program Manager
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> JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>
>
>
>  On Mar 13, 2013, at 9:45 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:
>
>  But I like it!   Should happen an odd number of times a year!  Clocks
> are arbitrary anyhow; just wake up with the Sun.
>
> On 3/11/13 3:25 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
> The title sez it all:
> Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time |
> We the People: Your Voice in Our Government
>
>  Basically a petition to either keep DST or standard time, and not
> flip/flop for no apparent reason.  Arizona for example has survived without
> time change so maybe the rest of us can too?
>
>
> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-bi-annual-time-change-caused-daylight-savings-time/ShChxpKh
>
>  I am SO sick of this weird, unnecessary attack on my poor ailing
> metabolism.  Takes me a week to adjust.  Taint needed.
>
> -- Owen
>
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Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?

[Gillian Densmore]

YES I've gotten calls like that in the past from some people from china
someplace trying to claim they work for MS. I don't know who to report them
to. It's not just fishing it's "social engineering" (aka fraud and lying)-
in my case the guy was all panicky that I might have malware and if I let
him run my computer he'll fix it. I didn't let the guy get on with his
sales pitch before hanging up on him. I run a regular virus sweep and
malware sweep. I think he gave up after the third time I hung up on him.
Why would I trust some complete stranger calling up going on and on about
how many evil things might be on my computer-why would I trust someone who
wasn't recomended to me by a someone who I trust to controll my
computer-answer: I don't.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing?  
>
> ** **
>
> I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian
> sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error
> messages to the network and offering to help me correct them.  (I have the
> number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it
> to.)  The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to
> them, I assume.   These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but
> I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for.  
>
> ** **
>
> Does anybody recognize this? 
>
> ** **
>
> N
>
> ** **
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
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Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?

[Gillian Densmore]

lol if you do record the conversation for our amusement (as well as good
blog material).

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> I've gotten a few of those over the past few days from similarly accented
> people trying to tell me that my Windows machine was infected with a virus,
> but the callers' numbers were blocked.
>
> No, I didn't bother to Linuxize them, although that would have been fun.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing?  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian
>> sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error
>> messages to the network and offering to help me correct them.  (I have the
>> number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it
>> to.)  The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to
>> them, I assume.   These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but
>> I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for.  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Does anybody recognize this? 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> N
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>> http://www.cusf.org
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
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Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?

[Gillian Densmore]

Yes same here- I didn't give him the chance to get annywhere when could
bairly say Microsoft I just hung up. That virln(Roach) is probably scurring
around I doubt that the kind of person that goes to or is on the FRIAM list
is his mark.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Edward Angel  wrote:

> I got the call a couple of months ago. He tried to give the impression
> that he was working for Microsoft and they were doing the monitoring. He
> got very flustered when I pointed out that I had only Apple hardware and
> didn't run Windows. That didn't stop him from continuing his pitch. I
> finally had to shut him up by telling him what crook he was and hanging up.
> Actually I probably didn't shut him up but only moved him to the next one
> on his robodialer.
>
> Ed
> __
>
> Ed Angel
>
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory
> (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home)   an...@cs.unm.edu
> 505-453-4944 (cell)  http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>
> Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? 
> ** **
> I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian
> sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error
> messages to the network and offering to help me correct them.  (I have the
> number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it
> to.)  The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to
> them, I assume.   These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but
> I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. 
> ** **
> Does anybody recognize this?
> ** **
> N
> ** **
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> http://www.cusf.org
> ** **
> ** **
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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

[Gillian Densmore]

For some of us with a already wonky metabalism we don't need help with it
being more wonky by some extremely dead person for gigles I hit wikiepedia
with DST and the list is at this link 
For those using plain text:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dst

work safe.

Clicking on the daylight savings time it says:

"The modern idea of daylight saving was first proposed in 1895 by George
Vernon Hudson 
[9]and
it was first implemented during the First
World War . "

Well thank you Hudson for messing around with my metablism. Humans are
seeking peace and some of us are interested in persuing science.



On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Russ Abbott  wrote:

> I too like DST -- mainly because it stays light later in the evening and
> dark later in the morning. Strange, this is what it was supposed to
> accomplish. It actually works.  Why change it?
>
>
> *-- Russ Abbott*
> *_*
> ***  Professor, Computer Science*
> *  California State University, Los Angeles*
>
> *  My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688*
> *  Google voice: 747-*999-5105
>   Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/
> *  vita:  *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/
>   CS Wiki  and the courses I teach
> *_*
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> I like daylight savings too, because I like listening to people bitch
>> about it.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>> I like daylight savings.  Gives another point of semi-regularity to my
>>> year.
>>>
>>> -tj
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp wrote:

> But is the time change even needed?  What purpose does it really
> serve?  There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc.
> But these things do not seem to be valid anymore.  And are they worth the
> collective cost?
>
> I have to say I prefer light later in the day though.
>

 Agreed.  I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting
 during the year.  Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or
 "standard time" is to be decided.

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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ==
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>>> USA
>>> 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h)
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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

[Gillian Densmore]

Yes he can actually he can abolish the time shift- and it looks like most
of the rest of the world gets along just fine w/o one.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> So Owen.  You  want your school aged grandchildren children standing out
> by the mail box in the pitch dark of the night (January, 6am, DST) in rush
> hour traffic?  
>
> ** **
>
> Why does it not work for you just to get up when you feel like and let us
> lemmings shift back to standard time when we feel like it? 
>
> ** **
>
> And why would one petition the white house?  As if it’s Obama who changes
> the clocks?  As Pogo famously said, “We have seen the enemy and they is we.”
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry to be so cranky.  I am feeling very Douggish today.  Must be the
> time change. 
>
> ** **
>
> Nick 
>
> ** **
>
> Nick
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen
> Densmore
> *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2013 1:39 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the
> bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp  wrote:
> 
>
> But is the time change even needed?  What purpose does it really serve?
>  There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But
> these things do not seem to be valid anymore.  And are they worth the
> collective cost?
>
> I have to say I prefer light later in the day though.
>
> ** **
>
> Agreed.  I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during
> the year.  Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or "standard
> time" is to be decided.
>
> ** **
>
>-- Owen 
>
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Re: [FRIAM] You just went to the Google homepage. What actually happened?

[Gillian Densmore]

where's the part of you beem into the google page: it instantly forms
metrics about you and presents you with "useful" adds (as aposed to to
minuses) :P

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
>
>> I disagree with Jean-Baptiste Query's presentation, which implies that
>> you have to understand all levels of any process to understand the process
>> itself. If that were true we would all have to understand quantum mechanics
>> to understand everything. But no one understands quantum mechanics. So no
>> one understands anything. 
>>
>
> Well, the point is that for non tech folks, it is a tower of babble.
>
> I like the presentation because it starts with a simple idea: view a web
> page, and shows the dirty little secret.
>
> I believe it should be the intro to a book that does what I think you
> might prefer: top down, breadth first introduction to digitology.
>
> Or in other words: modularity, and its implementation in standard formats
> and protocols.  And no, modularity .. tho nice in program structure .. does
> not happen without the standard formats and protocols.
>
> I have found it hard to explain modularity to non geek folks.  Can you do
> it?  Most start with code, which as I say, is wrong.  But most folks
> understand contracts, and that leads into protocols & formats.
>
> I tried to explain DNS once to a very very smart guy.  Registrars, Name
> Servers, TLD hierarchy.  His questions kept leading deeper into details,
> and made it all impossible.  My poor friend actually got dizzy and ended up
> in tears.
>
>-- Owen
>
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Re: [FRIAM] ET Phone Home?

[Gillian Densmore]

Shouldn't be there for formating reasons CSS javascript and PHP should
handle placement of elements on a page just fine without the need of a 1px
big item.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Yesterday, I noticed in the middle of the "You just went to the Google
> homepage" conversation, my GMail "accept this image" banner was on, but I
> could see no image!
>
> WTF?
>
> So I look at the raw source, and indeed, this appears:
>
> https://app.yesware.com/t/ac60524099a2c2922efb3fea7fcd30ecf03a1=482/5bb54418d45ddd9646340c46dfba6e56/spacer.gif
>
> .. which when downloaded was a single pixel, invisible due to alpha=0 and
> possibly being white.
>
> This seems to be a way of knowing when the mail was opened, the
> yesware.com site can collect statistics on the image being displayed.
>
> Is anyone doing this on purpose?  Or have you caught a malware in your
> mail client that is looking at your usage?  Or is it simply part of an
> obscure formatting stunt?
>
> BTW: This then appeared in all the rest of the conversation which included
> the initial email.
>
>-- Owen
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team

[Gillian Densmore]

Well you see it depends on the kind of bug. During summer chirpy bugs are
pleasant think the chirping bugs do so on purpose. :P

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Now you all know, that, ever since Owen first used the word “top bit” in
> my presence, nearly a decade ago, I have followed, with rapt attention, the
> use of language on this list.  So,  you guys.  I need to understand this
> better.  Can a “bug” be “on purpose”?  It sounds to me like Google has
> sabotaged its own product, right.  Therefore, if I understand the language,
> any Nexus phone thatactually  worked, would be “buggy”., by definition.  I
> am sorry to bother you about this, but these are the kinds of things that
> keep me awake at night.  N
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas
> Roberts
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
>
> ** **
>
> *Hi, Google Device Support Team.*
>
> ** **
>
> *It's  been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that
> someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating
> inaccurate information about this Nexus 
> 4
>  bug,
> and I thought you'd want to know about it right away.  *
>
> ** **
>
> *Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on
> purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time.
>  We all know that it is a bug.  Well, all of us except for Steve,
> apparently. Here, read for yourselves:  *
>
> ** **
>
> *http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html*
>
> ** **
>
> *Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization
> will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session
> about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, *bending the truth* regarding
> this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product.*
>
> ** **
>
> *Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter.*
>
> ** **
>
> *Best,*
>
> ** **
>
> *--Doug*
>
> ** **
>
> -- 
>
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>
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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: iClarified - Apple News - Amazon is Planning a 4.7-Inch Smartphone for Release Next Quarter?

[Gillian Densmore]

needs to be a bit thicker and a bit larger screen with a reel keyboard.
Otherwise could be interesting
One important question: Does it blend?

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Ha! I told you so!
>
> http://www.iclarified.com/28633/amazon-is-planning-a-47inch-smartphone-for-release-next-quarter
>
> This just makes sense.  Although we currently see the phone world as iOS
> vs Android, it just isn't the case.
>
> BlackBerry (Z10) is making a come back, keeping its position as a
> communications giant .. business folks who don't need the frills but are
> delighted to pay for great email and messaging.  Apps?  They've a
> translator from Android, so no worries.
>
> Moz phone.  OK, sure it could fail but there's a lot of energy behind it.
>
> So now, Amazon.  Well, they have a lot of experience with Android, and
> have modded it to work fine for their Tablet while keeping their brand of
> books and media.  So like RIM, they likely can have their own place in the
> cell phone sun.
>
> Now anyone wanna bet about Twitter & Facebook?  I bet the odds just got a
> lot better!
>
>-- Owen
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[FRIAM] what's google smoking with the new gmail?

[Gillian Densmore]

I don't get it-
I'm hoping someone out there possibly on the FRIAM mailing list does:
I log into gmail to check my mail and get swamped with flash slides from
google telling me all about how the new "improved" system is supposed to be
better.
Yet so far seems like a step backward-

Can someone explain to me how on earth going from having a well laid out
look and feel with stuff about where you might expect it to be if you were
to use outlook/mail.app/kmail or what ever KDE uses now  it's a bunch of
sliding stuff without much rhyme or reason

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[FRIAM] perplexed by netflix

[Gillian Densmore]

Recently I thought I'd re-try out the DVD rental system of netflix:

Last time I had it all the DVDs I got would play just fine. This time
around of the 8 DVDs I've gotten so far only one played without any issues.

It took a bit of digging to get a email adress they have several a
dvddstribute and info that looked promising.

Did something change in the last year since I last had DVD rentals as part
of my netflix plan?

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Re: [FRIAM] Moz 15th birthday

[Gillian Densmore]

I'll see you one Moz and rais it a Motiff running a on sparkstation over a
ISDN line at I think 12-14 and listening by way of real audio (or some
other format) a McNealy Report in which he proclaimed  that the Web is the
platform.

A few weeks later being awed by a "port" of netscape on a FreeBSD system on
a laptop- and reading *rumours *of a development branch going opensource
for nightly builds- no idea what license they were considering. This was
before opensource was cool


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  Mozilla the .ORG might be 15 but the Mozilla the Killer App is more like
> 20!
>
> I remember at the 2nd international WWW conference in Chicago, Netscape
> announcing themselves and using "Mozilla, the Killer App" as their
> non-sequitorial mascot.   Since when is a dinosaur an ape?  They jumbled
> King Kong and Godzilla and the idea of a Killer App and got Mozilla!
>
> For your anecdotal interest, I saw my first off-broadway show during that
> conference... the Rock Opera Tommy.  It *really* stood out in high contrast
> after spending our days huddled around 1k resolution screens ooing and
> aahhhing over postage-stamp sized pixelated videos streaming on a web
> page.  We were *so* impressed with ourselves... but Tommy! blew me away!
>
>  Moz is 15!  Just contributed:
>
> Hi! I just donated to Mozilla and got a limited-edition, 15th
> Anniversary plush red dino -- available only to supporters. Join me in
> wishing Mozilla a happy birthday and get yours before they’re gone at
> http://bit.ly/ZoNIjM
>
>
>   A snuggly dino!
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

[Gillian Densmore]

All this contrasery over the sigh.
I think sigh and sighing is a good thing it can lead to interesting
conversations. :P

On 4/4/13, Ron Newman  wrote:
> I get your point, Doug.  I had to suppress the desire to roll my eyes when
> once I met someone who looked up at the sky and spoke confidently of
> chemtrails.
>
> I'm reminded of something Joseph Campbell said - who looked as deeply into
> the beliefs of human beings across history as anyone.  He said that the
> closer you get to something of distilled wisdom, the more crazies there are
> standing around.  I try to keep that in mind when I'm tempted to throw
> something out while teasing the "signal from the noise".
>
> I once knew an anesthesiologist who patented a device and started a company
> around it.  The thing located nerves accurately for surgeons.  As an
> anecdotal aside, he told me that the places where nerves crossed each other
> tended to correlate with acupuncture points.  One possibility.
>
> Regarding placebo, if we were talking about solar power, 30% efficiency
> would be a great starting point.
>
> Ron
>
> --
> Ron Newman, Founder
> MyIdeatree.com 
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Douglas Roberts
> wrote:
>
>> Well shoot, as long as we're talking about irrational belief sets, how
>> about if we throw chemtrails into the mix. There is a not insignificant
>> segment of the US population who fervently believe that "they" are
>> poisoning us, on purpose.  But only on those days that the jets leave con
>> ... er ... chemtrails.  No proof necessary, just *look* at those
>> chemtrails.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

[Gillian Densmore]

I think the church of satan grotos do that.

Maybe we can start a sith and or jedi temple.


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> I personally find it disappointing that so many people are willing to
> adopt a belief set with no evidence, based solely on what someone said was
> The Truth.
>
> On a related note, now would appear to be an excellent time to start a
> church, impose mandatory weekly attendance upon the faithful, and charge
> $20 a head at the door each week.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes but …..
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I didn’t believe Watergate the first few times I heard about it, either.
>> “You aren’t telling me that a president that was going to win an election
>> in a walk actually sent Burglars into the Democratic Headquarters?”  I just
>> could not believe that they could be so stupid.  I fell for Colin Powell’s
>> thing at the UN;  my wife didn’t buy it for a moment.  I have to say, that
>> in most contexts, I believe in gullibility.  I think a little bit of
>> gullibility is the best program for getting on in life.  But I have been
>> known to carry it too far.  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Nick 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas
>> Roberts
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:39 PM
>>
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that
>> the TED Controversy is Sending
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> There are a surprising number of them on facebook, Nick.  To nobody's
>> great surprise, I guess.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
>> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Doug, 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Somebody laid the chemtrails thing on me the other day … an otherwise
>> perfectly sensible neighbor … and I was left standing in the street with my
>> jaw hanging open.   What do you say when somebody your sort of like,
>> touches you on the upper arm, points skyward and says, “Call me nuts, but
>> ….”  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I guess, “You’re nuts!”
>>
>>  
>>
>> N
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas
>> Roberts
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:14 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that
>> the TED Controversy is Sending
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well shoot, as long as we're talking about irrational belief sets, how
>> about if we throw chemtrails into the mix. There is a not insignificant
>> segment of the US population who fervently believe that "they" are
>> poisoning us, on purpose.  But only on those days that the jets leave con
>> ... er ... chemtrails.  No proof necessary, just *look* at those chemtrails.
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Ron Newman  wrote:
>> 
>>
>> But you're missing the point.:  *something* is working for them if they
>> believe it is, and is not for you or anyone who doesn't believe it is.  The
>> question is how does it work?  No, that's not good enough, because it too
>> easily leads back to premature assumptions.  The question is:  how can
>> placebo be improved.  Not set aside but improved.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, glen  wrote:
>>
>> Barry MacKichan wrote at 04/04/2013 10:29 AM:
>>
>> > I've heard it is very effective, but only for a time until the
>> > patient discovers it is a placebo. Call it the Lincoln effect ("You
>> > can fool all of ….").
>>
>> A friend of mine announced that she's now getting acupuncture for her
>> chronic back and neck pain.  There's a zealot in our local CfI
>> (http://www.centerforinquiry.net/) group who continuously and loudly
>> shouts about acupuncture being as quackish as homeopathy. (Seriously...
>> is there anything as quackish as homeopathy?) The tiny amount of time
>> I've spent looking into acupuncture indicates that it's mostly nonsense
>> with some slight possibility of truth in regard to certain _pressure_
>> points and nerve clusters.  But nothing that an evidence-based masseuse
>> couldn't achieve more effectively.
>>
>> But I kept my mouth shut and let her talk about how well it's worked so
>> far.  My dad also used acupuncture for a racquetball associated injury.
>>  He claimed it worked very well... [ahem] ... even better than his
>> chiropractor.  I didn't want to introduce any doubt that might interfere
>> with her placebo effect.
>>
>> Interestingly, I was trying to apply the Golden Rule in a post-hoc
>> analysis of my lack of action.  Would I want someone to burst my placebo
>> effect bubble?  If so, when?  Immediately?  Or perhaps after some window
>> of time as the placebo effect decays and it bumps up against the hard
>> biophysical/physiological limits?
>>
>>
>> --

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

[Gillian Densmore]

Doug if I may observe that you and Howl(sp) seem to have a great noes for
asshoelery though in your case from what I can tell your ire for at least
google and people not linux friendly goes up almost instantly.


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Just one small teensy note of clarification: I usually only insult people
> who disagree with me when they are/have been complete assholes about it.
> Which fortunately narrows the field down a bit.
>
> -Doug
> On Apr 4, 2013 6:11 PM, "glen"  wrote:
>
>> Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/04/2013 04:45 PM:
>> >  I was using "evidence" in the scientific sense,
>>
>> You say that as if everyone agrees on the scientific sense of the term,
>> which of course they don't.  Even reputable scientists disagree on what
>> constitutes evidence.  I know you're willing to insult anyone with whom
>> you disagree.  But the fact remains that standards of evidence differ
>> depending on the context of the discussion, the domain of inquiry, etc.
>>
>> Evidence in, say, cosmology or evolution is very different from evidence
>> in, say, biology or physics.  And that's without leaping out into the
>> softer sciences.
>>
>> --
>> =><= glen e. p. ropella
>> Looked pretty horny if I do say
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

[Gillian Densmore]

your certain kind of zeel would make for a great sith lord-
Just need to figure out how get you intune with the force enough to get
people to come attend at the new sith temple


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

> Doug if I may observe that you and Howl(sp) seem to have a great noes for
> asshoelery though in your case from what I can tell your ire for at least
> google and people not linux friendly goes up almost instantly.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> Just one small teensy note of clarification: I usually only insult people
>> who disagree with me when they are/have been complete assholes about it.
>> Which fortunately narrows the field down a bit.
>>
>> -Doug
>> On Apr 4, 2013 6:11 PM, "glen"  wrote:
>>
>>> Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/04/2013 04:45 PM:
>>> >  I was using "evidence" in the scientific sense,
>>>
>>> You say that as if everyone agrees on the scientific sense of the term,
>>> which of course they don't.  Even reputable scientists disagree on what
>>> constitutes evidence.  I know you're willing to insult anyone with whom
>>> you disagree.  But the fact remains that standards of evidence differ
>>> depending on the context of the discussion, the domain of inquiry, etc.
>>>
>>> Evidence in, say, cosmology or evolution is very different from evidence
>>> in, say, biology or physics.  And that's without leaping out into the
>>> softer sciences.
>>>
>>> --
>>> =><= glen e. p. ropella
>>> Looked pretty horny if I do say
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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[FRIAM] Dennis Ritchie

[Gillian Densmore]

Someone reminded me that of his joining the force

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=453434584737549&set=a.348806155200393.83004.348804618533880&type=1&ref=nf

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=453434584737549&set=a.348806155200393.83004.348804618533880&type=1&ref=nf

For those that are adverse to *grr arg and shutter* facebook:

It basicly says that it's a bit of a injustice how Steve Jobs and Dennis
Ritchie both joind the force close together without Steve: no expensive
iproducts
( it notes the how long they both lived )

without Dennis Ritchie: no modern computing.

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Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

[Gillian Densmore]

How forces work:
Theres the dark forces and light forces with all persistant and guide your
destiny.
They push against each other yet somehow balance out.

With enough of the dark forces you can choke people you deem incompitent,
or shoot lightning from your hands.

I hope that helps answers the questions.
(I do work on fridays)

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Russ Abbott  wrote:

> One of the replies to my question on StackExchange was that what really
> mattered was that something is accelerated. Since acceleration is really(?)
> a matter of a change in energy of the thing accelerated, perhaps the most
> fundamental interaction is the transfer of energy from one entity (whatever
> an entity is) to another. Do we have any reasonable way to talk about how
> that happens?
>
>
> *-- Russ Abbott*
> *_*
> ***  Professor, Computer Science*
> *  California State University, Los Angeles*
>
> *  My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688*
> *  Google voice: 747-*999-5105
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> *_*
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Stephen Guerin <
> stephen.gue...@redfish.com> wrote:
>
>> Along the lines that Lee is mentioning with fields being the first
>> class objects, Bruce Sherwood may be able to illuminate some of the
>> current thinking in Quantum Field Theory and how interpretations are
>> made with respect to forces.
>>
>> Bruce?
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM,   wrote:
>> > Russ asks:
>> >
>> >> Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For
>> example,
>> >> two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than saying
>> >> that there are force fields that exert forces, how does the
>> electromagnetic
>> >> force accomplish its effects. What is the interface/link/connection
>> between
>> >> the force (field) and the objects on which it acts. Or is all we can
>> say is
>> >> that it just happens: it's a physics primitive?
>> >
>> > I have the impression that the best you can say is that fields act on
>> fields; fields are (the
>> > only) first-class objects, and what you're calling "objects" are at
>> best second-class--they
>> > are epiphenomena of fields (or, of *the* field).
>> >
>> > There is (or was when I last tried to look into this, about 40 years
>> ago) a concept of
>> > "current" (which I suppose is a generalization of our familiar
>> "electric current", but if so
>> > is such a generalization that I was unable to see the connection at
>> all) which was in some way
>> > involved with interactions of fields.  Maybe a Google search on current
>> and Jakiw would turn
>> > up something useful, but probably not.
>> >
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Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

[Gillian Densmore]

(bad joke aside): Russ do you have a specific type of force group of forces
in mind?

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Russ Abbott  wrote:

> One of the replies to my question on StackExchange was that what really
> mattered was that something is accelerated. Since acceleration is really(?)
> a matter of a change in energy of the thing accelerated, perhaps the most
> fundamental interaction is the transfer of energy from one entity (whatever
> an entity is) to another. Do we have any reasonable way to talk about how
> that happens?
>
>
> *-- Russ Abbott*
> *_*
> ***  Professor, Computer Science*
> *  California State University, Los Angeles*
>
> *  My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688*
> *  Google voice: 747-*999-5105
>   Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/
> *  vita:  *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/
>   CS Wiki  and the courses I teach
> *_*
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Stephen Guerin <
> stephen.gue...@redfish.com> wrote:
>
>> Along the lines that Lee is mentioning with fields being the first
>> class objects, Bruce Sherwood may be able to illuminate some of the
>> current thinking in Quantum Field Theory and how interpretations are
>> made with respect to forces.
>>
>> Bruce?
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM,   wrote:
>> > Russ asks:
>> >
>> >> Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For
>> example,
>> >> two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than saying
>> >> that there are force fields that exert forces, how does the
>> electromagnetic
>> >> force accomplish its effects. What is the interface/link/connection
>> between
>> >> the force (field) and the objects on which it acts. Or is all we can
>> say is
>> >> that it just happens: it's a physics primitive?
>> >
>> > I have the impression that the best you can say is that fields act on
>> fields; fields are (the
>> > only) first-class objects, and what you're calling "objects" are at
>> best second-class--they
>> > are epiphenomena of fields (or, of *the* field).
>> >
>> > There is (or was when I last tried to look into this, about 40 years
>> ago) a concept of
>> > "current" (which I suppose is a generalization of our familiar
>> "electric current", but if so
>> > is such a generalization that I was unable to see the connection at
>> all) which was in some way
>> > involved with interactions of fields.  Maybe a Google search on current
>> and Jakiw would turn
>> > up something useful, but probably not.
>> >
>> > 
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Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

[Gillian Densmore]

hmm:
So what happens if a repulicon and a boson colide?

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  leptons-
>
> I think it is all "intermediate vector bosons"... or maybe I just like the
> way that phrase sounds?
>
> -boson
>
>  Thanks for all the answers. To answer John's question first, magnetism
> doesn't seem miraculous (it's too familiar), but I can't say I understand
> how it works. It was just that question about magnetism that Feynman was
> asked as the start of the video in
> which he danced around the question before saying he couldn't give an
> intuitive answer.
>
>  What would a satisfying answer look like? That's a very good question.
> Superficially it would be something like a sophisticated version of
> billiard balls: when one hits another, energy is transferred. But even that
> doesn't work well when looked at carefully.  What happens in detail when
> one hits another. If the two objects were absolutely solid, how would one
> "feel" the impact of the other. Would the transfer simply become a
> primitive? If they were somewhat springy, how does that springyness work?
> And besides, there must be some surface-like thing that receives the impact
> and something more internal that absorbs it.
>
>  Bruce's QM photon explanation is pretty close to what I'm looking for,
> but as he notes, it only works for repulsive forces. It also relies on
> primitives. In that case the emission and absorption of a photon and the
> associated transfer of energy seem to be primitive actions.
>
>  The papers by Hobson look very interesting. They even look like I can
> read them.  I haven't done that yet, though.
>
>  As a software person, a good explanation is often something like an API.
> How does one object interact with another? We know that objects have
> capabilities (specified by their APIs), and that it's possible for one
> object to trigger the performance of a capability in another object. We
> don't ask how the triggering event gets from one to the other. That's magic
> at a lower level. We just assume that it can happen and that there isn't
> anything more to say about it at the object level of abstraction.
>
>  So I would be (somewhat) happy with an answer that said (a) what the
> capabilities are (something like a API for elementary particles/fields)
> and (b) what the non-decomposable primitive actions are, e.g., like emit
> and absorb.
>
>
>
>
>  *-- Russ Abbott*
> *_*
> *  Professor, Computer Science*
> *  California State University, Los Angeles*
>
>  *  My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688
> *
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> *_*
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, John Kennison wrote:
>
>> Russ,
>>
>> Before people knew about magnetism, it must have seemed miraculous that
>> two stones would spontaneously start to move toward (or away from) each
>> other. Now we can say,  "Oh, it's just magnetism". But if we think about
>> long enough, we may still wonder how two objects can move toward or away
>> from each other. My question would be, "Does magnetism still seem a bit
>> miraculous, or do you feel your question is answered, at least for
>> magnetism? In either case, what would a satisfying answer look like?"
>>
>> John
>>
>> 
>> From: Friam [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf of Russ Abbott [
>> russ.abb...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:50 PM
>> To: FRIAM
>> Subject: [FRIAM] How do forces work?
>>
>> Yesterday I asked this question<
>> http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/61542/how-do-forces-work?noredirect=1#comment123788_61542>
>> on StackExchange: physics.
>>
>> Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For example,
>> two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than saying
>> that there are force fields that exert forces, how does the electromagnetic
>> force accomplish its effects. What is the interface/link/connection between
>> the force (field) and the objects on which it acts. Or is all we can say is
>> that it just happens: it's a physics primitive?
>>
>> So far, there haven't been any answers that feel satisfying--although,
>> please look at them yourselves. One of the comments pointed to a 7 1/2
>> minute video by Feynman, in which he talks around the problem before
>> finally saying he can't provide an intuitive explanation. I don't think it
>> was one of his better efforts. Does anyone on this list have an answer?
>>
>> -- Russ Abbott
>> _
>>   Professor, Computer Science
>>   California State University, Los Angeles
>>
>>My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977

[FRIAM] google glass-

[Gillian Densmore]

friend of mine sent me this:
http://jacksonandwilson.com/google-glass/

thought I 'd share the love for friam to consider.

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[FRIAM] robodialers and other kinds of phone spam

[Gillian Densmore]

Mayhaps someone one the FRIAM list can enlighten me on this I've recently
been getting all sorts of 1800 numbers calling at a long variety of numbers
of the day- one I think was a bord fax machine-
I canot fathom why these  business can not fathom that some of us do not
apreciate getting calls at 10 at night telling me all about how the sky is
dayglow orange and tastes like chicken(from the voice mail)
I also can not fathom why these robo dialers pick my google voice number-
it only makes me think  I want a bit bleach for the business genepool-and
try set a speed record for how fast I can add the offending  business to my
spam list..

What kind of strange business model has somewhere in there: Piss off the
customers?
Why do we as a society put up with that?

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[FRIAM] old parody

[Gillian Densmore]

I found a old "start me up" parody for winders95: (now replace winders95
with winders8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOwQKWiRJAA

Some FRIAMERS might like it especially because theres rumous balmore and
friends might be "encouraging" happy winders 7 users to upgrade to 8.

Is it a bad time to chant something like: I heart my Android/Google
Overlord?
When is android coming to the desktop? or is that Real Soon Now?

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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: National Internet sales tax: Why I love the Marketplace Fairness Act, and you should, too. - Slate Magazine

[Gillian Densmore]

Grr just no, the net is one of the few places where we aren't nickled and
dimed with taxes or gulable consumers see 1.99 and think a penny less than
2 dollars is a savings.

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> This is an interesting article, appearing in the S.F. New Mexican sunday
> edition.
> (SFNM left out two paragraphs)
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/04/national_internet_sales_tax_why_i_love_the_marketplace_fairness_act_and.html
>
> Its interesting on a number of
> "net culture" as well as tax law perspectives:
>
> - The SFNM paper has a "virtual" publication's article.  Slate and
> HuffPost seems quite popular. The new R
> euters
>  ?
>
> - The article discusses retail tax, but with interesting nuances
>
> - Amazon supports it because they want to build large warehouses in most
> states for same-day delivery
>
> - Look out WalMart!
>
> - The law will only go into effect if all states simplify their tax codes
> and provide free software to on-line businesses
>
> - Conservatives and Liberals both agree that "its time now" .. the web
> businesses no longer need the
> subsidy
> .
>
> - As the population ages, they'd be fine with on-line buying with same day
> delivery, even from local businesses, and this law is likely to build an
> ecology for easy delivery, vans for example.
>
> -
> There is an exemption for on-line stores with less than $1million annual
> revenues.
>
> - The exception is being considered unfair with large, but not nation
> wide, on-line retailers, and by eBay who services many of them.
>
>-- Owen
>
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[FRIAM] digital divide closing?

[Gillian Densmore]

The long made short is looking at a summer and fall period without school-
I am interested to know if there are organizations that might need help who
are in the business of closing that thing called the digital divide- so
here I am pinging the smart folks at FRIAM: Hello smart folks at FRIAM
anyone have some ideas where on earth I might get started on my evil plan
to close the digital divide in and around santa fe?

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Re: [FRIAM] The rise and fall of the Microsoft empire

[Gillian Densmore]

yes and no,
Apple has had issues with gaining market dominance-and not from lack of
effort or deep pockets they've have a dodgy history with gamers for
instance who are willing to spend lots of money on software and a bit on
hardware. One common argument is something like oh but you can custom build
a PC for 900 dollars that has warpspeed Nvidia 9trillion with 4gigs of ram-
and it'll run Call of Duty: black ops at 125 FPS- and those are the types
of users I don't for see a linux distro being able to woo over.
On the linux side of things- yes it's great that many linux distros are
solid and have some amount of reliability in terms of active forums when
issues come up, it's great the software is politically and technically
correct in many aspects. However again there is no native MS. Office for
linux, much less many top billed games the kinds of things that Joe Average
looks for imidiatly. Joe Average has very little interest in the command
line and having to edit lots of files just to get his pet software running.
I've personally have tride to do some stunts with whine and it's painful. -
those developers and designers haven't quite gotten the sex appeal of when
something goes wrong with my apt-get --update and something goes kaboom to
call a 1800 number.
Untill those things happen windows isn't going anywhere.
Though you do bring up a good point about the awkward transition of the
mouse and click to a united tablet/desktop UI on the windows side. Ubuntu
and Apple might be doing that a little better.

On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Jochen Fromm  wrote:

>
> I tried to install an older Windows program on a new Windows 8 system
> today, but got a lot of errors and problems. Actually I tried to install
> CorelDraw9, which I have used for drawings in the past, on my new Samsung
> Series 7 "Chronos" laptop, which uses Windows 8 and Ubuntu 13.04 in a dual
> boot installation. The hassle during installation inspired me to write this
> blog post about the rise and fall of the Microsoft empire.
> http://4loc.wordpress.com/**2013/05/18/the-rise-and-fall-**
> of-the-microsoft-empire/
>
> Somehow I have a feeling that the time of total market dominance for
> Microsoft is probably be over. What do you think? Apparently Microsoft has
> stumbled with Windows 8, and I wonder if they will be able to get up again.
> I can not get used to the changes of Windows 8, and I am sure a lot of
> people experience a similar frustration. People learned how to use a
> desktop with a mouse for about 20 years, and now they are expected to
> forget all they have learned.
>
> -J.
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[FRIAM] the samsung galaxy s4.

[Gillian Densmore]

*Chris berman voice*:
It.  Will  Go.  All   The.  Way.

So yeah- steeling the american football theme liberally:
It's got a kick arse O-line in terms of what counts for me- and is looking
to be a super bowl contender.

Based on my usage from one day- mine needs to live on a stationary bike
though so it can it can get it's endurance up.
Short of that: Anyone have experience extended batteries and can recomend a
man-you-facture?
There's some contenders on that big-box-store that starts with an A- on the
leaderbord of those seems to be zerolemmons offering.
Feedback wanted.

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[FRIAM] good cover for a smsung s4

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings!
I'm looking into a tool that'd protect a samsung s4 from breaking in from a
acidental drop and also something to keep it from breaking from acidentall
water/tea/coffe spills at the santa fe baking compony (for example).

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[FRIAM] Kindle Books error

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings,
Family sent a kindle book gift for my birthday- deciding to claim it, I got
a error saying the it's not available in the US
Seems odd for book on math- wich I'm getting into- (thanks dad you are
evil).

Any ideas for a work around to this?

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[FRIAM] wed tech mailing list app

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings!
Who do I contact to find the status of my application to be on the wedtech
mailing list?
While it might be steve gaurun (sp?)-I'd think with the umpteen simulation
projects he has going-I'd think some else is just as able to review my
request.
-Thanks in advance.

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[FRIAM] google crome tech support

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings again-
Does anyone have experience with the G+ groups tech support?
I ask because I've recently become interested in taking it for a spin. But
the idiot thing has been a bit of a headache to even get working and no one
on the googles g+ tech support group seems inclined to answer my questions.

-Thanks!

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Re: [FRIAM] wed tech mailing list app

[Gillian Densmore]

yes but unlike other familliars he has strong drothers that might be a D20
roll problem :P

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Stephen Guerin
wrote:

> Hi Gil,
>
> I processed your subscription request from three days ago. If you have any
> changes you can also reach out to Owen Densmore. Are you familiar with him?
> :-)
>
> -S
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>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>> Who do I contact to find the status of my application to be on the
>> wedtech mailing list?
>> While it might be steve gaurun (sp?)-I'd think with the umpteen
>> simulation projects he has going-I'd think some else is just as able to
>> review my request.
>> -Thanks in advance.
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[FRIAM] T-mobile

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings all!
On entering the pay as you go-month to month market t-mobile has decided it
will no longer do a "slight" reduction in data- and after x-minuts of phone
use they've decided it's perfectly ok for them to drop your calls-
so, question: What's the competition, who else can I use? what are the
pro's and cons.
Has the FCC been made aware of this? On my old plan after 2gigs of data at
4GLTE they only droped you to a slightly lower quality 4g and ocasionaly 3g
speed.

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[FRIAM] Ruged smartphones...or cases

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings!
I'm going to move to virizon- simply because of t-mobo coverage. While I
love the technology of the Galaxy S4  (and the like) I don't quite get why
such inspiring technology is put inside of a fragile plastice case
That being said I wonder if someone might be able to recomend one possible
for the galaxy 4S

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[FRIAM] another potential scam-

[Gillian Densmore]

Someone called me on my land line about 2 minuts ago saying there from a
"major gold mining company" and that "our ceo sent you a letter about
making job oprotunaties"  I asked what all it was this was supposed to be
about and kid on the phone says "yea we sent you a letter were from santa
fe gold"
I doubt that a CEO would send me a letter and I hung up.

That being said I'm fairly confident that the FRIAM and WedTech kind of
people have enough savy to ignore what might be a scam, please do look out.

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[FRIAM] cell providers-head hurts

[Gillian Densmore]

In my drama to return a somewhat picky and dysfunctional Cell to t-mobile I
started to slober over the coverage of virizon-
 my head hurts about why  virizon only uses CDMA and only on specific
frequencies. It'd seem to be more profitable to use spread spectrum
techniques, especially if virizon also had a way to use seamlessly use GSM
towers as well

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[FRIAM] firefox super slow.

[Gillian Densmore]

Hi all ever since firefox updated itself (tuesday I think) it's been super
slow!

Is ayone else using firefox and experiencing this?

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[FRIAM] travle tips?

[Gillian Densmore]

Hi all! I'll be traveling to see my aunt in seatle start of august- looking
forward to it- but I thought I'd ping the FRIAM mailing list- for having
things go as smoothly as possible.
What should I expect?
How (in practice) does one go about taking some prescribed stuff with them
and OTC with them? I ask because I read a article by the economist written
in 012 says that both prescribed meds and OTC's (such as asprin) it said
for colledge students  unsual smelling powders and  uncolored powders or
pills must be labled-
So asprin needs to be in a bottle that says--asprin? (I ask because I have
off/on back issues)
It also recomends puting a change of clothes in a carry on-
So does that meen a note saying: those happy pills are ok (for example)?
Other things I should keep in mind to have a enjoyable experience?

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[FRIAM] perplexed by trader joes

[Gillian Densmore]

Hi all I go to trader joes to get stuff being single they have a history of
selling stuff at a so-so cost  but might (theoreticly) be a little better
quality than smiths, the atmosphere definitely is. I got some eggs- and
wanted some Oolong tea I thought they caried at one point. I asked one of
the workers there this person said while I am welcome and encouraged to ask
for it back he noted they had been getting "hot" asian influenced products
that include the tea. Would they realy get stolen groceries? Or is this a
fear of the stuff potentially have been eposed to radiation as some one I
know (and I swear she wears a tinfoil hat) claimes
This is indeed a complex question that also speeks a little to feers of
radiation if the food comes from japan.

coments?

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[FRIAM] fires and weather

[Gillian Densmore]

Another one for people that know vastly more about weather and chaos than I
do:
Forest fires season this year and the temperature outside: I love
summer->october side of fall it's stupid pretty out. That being said: How
much of the 25-40c heat as reported by NOA. Is thehe dry conditions and
what seems to be just about zero humidity is inside of normal?
What I'm groping for is: yowza is it hot and dry, and it seems like
anything in the forests that can burn is burning- is this-somewhat normal?
oO
I seem to recall downtown about now (ie 430-5pm) trying to flood last year
and the year before and the year before etc.

Nick you seem to speak temperature and humidity any thoughts?

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Re: [FRIAM] fires and weather

[Gillian Densmore]

That's very enlightining.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  Gil -
>
> This is an interesting and timely but potentially contentious topic.
> Interesting and timely because we ARE right in the midst of some big fires
> (recently)... I just drove through the Jemez to see some of the most recent
> fire's (Thompson Ridge) damage as well as from two years ago.  Of course,
> the recent loss of 19 firefighters in AZ was is not a small reminder of the
> danger of these fires.
>
>  My father worked for the US Forest Service from the 50's through the
> 80s,  and summer was a continuous series of either local fires being fought
> nearby or him making long trips off to the really big fires in the pacific
> northwest where he often lead crews from Zuni (they were well known for
> their skill, tirelessness and cohesiveness).  One of my earliest memories
> is of my mother driving us out to where they were trying to stop a fire
> from crossing the highway near the forest camp we lived in.  We and some
> other local residents watched (safely) from a few hundred yards back in a
> large meadow as flames licked from the ponderosas on one side of the
> highway  right of way toward the other side.   As I remember it, they did
> hold the fire there, but only barely.This was the first of nearly 20
> years of fire-stories I got to hear as they were unfolding.  We had a
> fire-radio in the kitchen which was on 24/7 and busy throughout the
> summer.
>
> My father died less than a year ago and while helping my mother sort
> through possessions I encountered an outline of the many harrowing
> experiences he had in the forest service, starting with the famous Mann
> Gulch fire in Montana  that took the lives of 13 fire fighters.   My Father
> had just been accepted to Forestry School in Missoula and was driving
> toward there from Kentucky when that fire happened.  He arrived as a fresh
> young Forestry Student in the aftermath of that very tragic and defining
> incident.   This story is well documented in the 1992 book "Young Men and
> Fire ".
>
> Another tragic fire incident happened in the mid 1990's on the Storm King
> or South Canyon fire.  One notable difference from the 1949 tragedy was
> that by this time firefighting crews included women... in this case I think
> 4 of the 14 killed were women.
>
> Not long after my father began work as a Forest Service Professional in
> Northern Arizona, one of his equally fresh colleagues, Billy Buck, was
> caught in a bad situation with a group of firefighters who he was able to
> save by using a technique similar to that of Wag Dodge of lighting a
> "escape fire" which clears the immediate area of combustibles in a
> lower-temperature fire, allowing firefighters to potentially survive in
> that Island of "pre-burned" area.   This was not long after the Mann-Gulch
> fire and it helped to validate that Dodge's actions (he was only 1 of 3
> survivors of the fire and the only one who chose to stay within the escape
> fire "island" while the others insisted on trying to outrun the fire to
> their peril).   They huddled together under a tarp they had wet from their
> canteens while the fire blew past/over them.  This technique was formalized
> in the mid 1970's when they started requiring every fire crew to carry a
> "fire shelter" which was essentially a tarp/tent with a reflective (think
> space blanket) coating.  Suffocation is often a bigger danger even than the
> heat of the fire.   Buck was credited with rescuing the entire crew with
> his forceful style (former marine)despite having no formal authority.   My
> dad believed it was the only difference between his success and Wag Dodge's
> failure (to save more than himself).
>
> May father was appalled at how much building happened in the Pacific
> Northwest and even moreso in California, deep in the forested and other
> potentially fire-prone areas.  In the relatively uninhabited southwest,
> even a huge fire would not be that likely to threaten habitation and when
> it did, efforts could be focused on the few, relatively small areas of
> habitation.  In California, they were *always* fighting to protect
> habitations, not to stop the fire.  As it turns out, the most good for the
> most people (well, the ecosystems we people are depending on) might have
> been literally NO Intervention... go figure.
>
> Guerin and the SimTable(tm) folks are naturally *much* more up to date on
> contemporary firefighting conditions and culture.   During my father's time
> in the business, they had not yet realized the extent of the hazard they
> were creating by suppressing so many fires, causing ecosystems to go out of
> balance, allowing small, fast burning forest materials to build up to the
> point that they could ignite the larger, slower-to-burn full grown trees.
> They *were* aware of it however, having the example of the US Park Service
> whose policy at the time (started shi

Re: [FRIAM] NIJ Challenge: Cost-Benefit of Sex Offender Registration Law

[Gillian Densmore]

Hmm-
Ok so here's a semi-philisphical question:
Crime stinks- but  aren't there better ways to adress these issues than the
system we have developed?

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:

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> Protection and Safety Act of 2006—by improving the effectiveness of sex
> offender registration and notification programs in the United States.
>
> Notification and registration programs have multiple public safety
> purposes, and empirical research on sex offenders has grown over the past
> decade. No study to date, however, has examined the multifaceted effects of
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Re: [FRIAM] This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

[Gillian Densmore]

Yes the answer is that news story needs to be clarified as: attempted to do
so.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik wrote:

> The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
> creative reply?
>
>
>
> http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
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Re: [FRIAM] This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

[Gillian Densmore]

I had a feeling the topic of samsung would come up again. To my untrained
eyes how Android looks on my Samsung Glaxy S4-when held next to a iphone-
on the look and feel front don't (to me) look so simmiler that I'd pick up
my samsung and mistake it for a iphone. So it comes down to fair and
reasonable- I'm not a lawyer- I think if I handed my grandpa (bob) my
samsung and dad handed him the iphone and asked him wich he thought was
what- I think even at 90 years old Bob would likely say: aha the one you
gave me gil is-what is that? I think he could tell the apple phone was a
apple phone. I don't understand how that wouldn't be enough to stop junk
lawsuits if the heart of the problem is apple complaining that android or
samsung use rounded corners on some of the buttons.
That being said the Android Apps I like to use are great!
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> I liked this:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/aug/28/apple-samsung-foreman-explains
> .. in the blog roll to the right of the article.
>
> Explains in detail how the jury worked and made the decision.
>
> Patents are tough.  I got a couple for software, mainly relating to the
> fine old NeWS (network extensible window system) but then, while working on
> the Java Car, the skunkworks ended up with over a dozen all told.  Takes a
> lot of time and is a hassle, but more: they are generally of questionable
> worth.
>
> Large companies mainly collect a "war chest" of them, and generally trade
> them back & forth.  IBM actually makes a huge amount per year on patent
> licensing.
>
> I think I'm generally against software patents.  But copyright is far more
> abused .. it can be extended virtually forever.  Some protection is fine,
> but too much is oppressive.
>
>-- Owen
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM, cody dooderson wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake
>>
>> Cody Smith
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik wrote:
>>
>>> The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
>>> creative reply?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
>>> ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/
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[FRIAM] Google gripe

[Gillian Densmore]

I have a Gripe with Google, the update system is causing as much good as
bad. For example I decided it'd be a good idea to try out the new-fangled
Navigator/.Gmaps while heading out to the Reagle on Cerillos.
Nothing else going on they crashed and crashed hard- just at a brief
glimpse of the "support" forum with smiler complaints-
I've asked Google (twice) when they'll get around to un-breaking a
perfectly functional, and fun to use app.
Nothing from them,

My Fellow FRIAMers(TM)  with all the cloud stuff going on (some of wich
wants to rain).
With all the fancy ways we can send people to the moon.
How is it with all the fancy smart phone stuffs-is it not possible to have
a smart phone that "just works"- the kind of smart phone that's built like
a tank, yet has sex apeal and by gom enough smarts when I ask it "how do I
make General Choas Chicken" the AI in question doesn't say: "chaos theory
master?"

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[FRIAM] Misc questions

[Gillian Densmore]

I've inherited a MacBookPro laptop from Owen- a bit low on ram for my
liking, some google-fu showed that newegg sells Kingston ram for this
beuty- for 80 dollars before shipping (8 gigs-two 4 gig sticks)-
Since I want to use this while visiting my aunt in tocoma/seatle area one
part to help my aunt with her website- one part for entertainment:

What's a good amount of ram for the adobe ecology to run as well as can be
expected on this critter- cheaply?
Where can I get that in town?
Years ago when I had a sigificantly older laptop I went to buyos(sp)- but
times have changed in computing and santa fe:
Does bestbuy sell ram for this guy?

---

Voice assistant software use has gotten me curius about the world of
Machine Learning and AI's- With lots of books on the Amazon Market- what
should I look for in a populist book because I'd like to learn more about
it-
What kind of google-fu search terms should I use to find blogs, mail lists
(just to lurk on)?

Thanks in advance!
-Quapla'!

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[FRIAM] droid saga

[Gillian Densmore]

After using voice to text a bunch on my droid, and it crashing HARD
yesterday  like blue screen of death hard Apps are working but not voice
commands.
Sent asked google when they intend to fix it they only say "Real Soon Now"

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Re: [FRIAM] droid saga

[Gillian Densmore]

lol very good point!
Well then- Game on.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  Gil -
>
> Unfortunately everyone on FRIAM is 1 degree of separation from Doug and we
> can all expect the same level of customer service until the end of time!
>
> - Steve
>
> After using voice to text a bunch on my droid, and it crashing HARD
> yesterday  like blue screen of death hard Apps are working but not voice
> commands.
> Sent asked google when they intend to fix it they only say "Real Soon Now"
>
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[FRIAM] Macbookpro memory (circa 2008-2009?)

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings all- pinging wedtech and FRIAM- For those that don't know, I was
given Owens old macbookpro (ID:2,1 )-
I had tride it out with a 4gig stick of ram. The lapy wouldn't boot,
suspecting this is a sign of having been sold bad ram it's on it's way back
to Amazon for them to deel with.
Question: I'd like to Know from folks that might a lapytop around that time
if it's actually worth it to the thing up to speed ram wise:
 Usage is: I'm fairly typical of someone about my age: When I'm not doing
stuff related to finishing my web-design cert it's quite a bit of computer
gaming, and rocking out to music while playing those games.

Would enjoy heering from anyone that's more than 4gigs in a maclaptop of
that era, before installing more ram

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[FRIAM] the macbook saga, and and great torrent software?

[Gillian Densmore]

Just a quick update:
-Depending on the the "vintage" of the MacbookPro i've inherited it might
(or might not) be possible to get it up to 6 gigs of ram (Urg)
-What all do people use for getting vintage software from TPB? In winderz
land you might might use bitcomet- fairly fast, I don't see that for macs-

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[FRIAM] #winderz #winderz/mac.#travel

[Gillian Densmore]

Getting ready for travel- taking Owens fairly old laptop- puting some stuff
on it-
Dream weaver and Photoshop working.
Somewhere in the process of updating Warcraft on the laptop I wondered:
What on earth are you suposed to do when there's a nice Game or "social
media" type of app thats winderz only!
It seems fairly heavy handed to run winderz in VMware to get your Call of
Duty (for example)

What do other young folks do about this?

I've been trying to find a solid answer to another pragmatic question: Is
the TSA realy going to take one look at my bodels of: Melotonin and
Velarian Root and say: them. bin. now? My own inclination is to say: yes
they probably will- since it'd need  to be a fairly "hippy" TSA person
note they are bad ass for travel and acclimating.

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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Nexus 7 review (2013)

[Gillian Densmore]

#Frank_n_Jekyl #Lab_Rat_Effect  #Google #Doug_Incoming  #Consumer_Proof
#Revenge_of_the_clone #Crak_level_Zero'd
#Weakest_lynk(copyleft) #Max_Xenos.#Do_they_even_lift?

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Has anyone experience with this Google tablet?
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/nexus-7-review-2013/
>
> My interest is that ASUS seems to have a better relationship with Google
> than Samsung.  I would be interested in how easy it is upgraded to the new
> Android versions.
>
> It seems possible ASUS may also be an important phone maker in the future.
>  It'd be nifty if they actually get a "phablet" to market.
>
>-- Owen
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[FRIAM] Post, washington post amazon buy out thoughts?

[Gillian Densmore]

I heard on public TV that amazon gobled up the washington post-
I'd like to here what other peoples thoughts that Amazon wants to the
washington post to sink into "e-publishing" and be more populist in
reguards to who can submit updates to news.

To kick it off. I'm conflicted. On one hand the washington post as a
publication is old and might have a little bit of postive street cred under
that proposed model, on the other hand- will amazon fact check submissions?

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Re: [FRIAM] Post, washington post amazon buy out thoughts?

[Gillian Densmore]

Hmm ok that's interesting distinction.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Pamela McCorduck  wrote:

> Gobbled up is strong language, Gillian. Rescued might be more like it. The
> family that ran the Post couldn't afford to run it any more. The Grahams
> said they were glad to sell the entity called the Washington Post to
> someone who assured them he would run it to the same standards the Grahams
> had used. (Now this is sad, because the WashPost in the last ten years
> became a shadow of its best self, so "standards" are rather elastic.)
>
> Bezos says he has no intention of interfering in the editorial part of the
> paper, which may or may not be true. But the Post couldn't sustain itself
> as it was going. Something had to give. I frankly will be fascinated to see
> the mind that dreamed up Amazon refashion a newspaper for the 21st century.
>
> You might see the same thing happening to the New York Times, with Mike
> Bloomberg talked about as the buyer. The Times is making money right now,
> but it hasn't paid a dividend to the 83 members of the Sulzberger family in
> two years. Some of those people are going to say hey, we aren't a charity;
> we have to put our kids through college like everyone else. At that point,
> a buyer may be sought.
>
> Just saying.
>
> Pamela
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
> > I heard on public TV that amazon gobled up the washington post-
> > I'd like to here what other peoples thoughts that Amazon wants to the
> washington post to sink into "e-publishing" and be more populist in
> reguards to who can submit updates to news.
> >
> > To kick it off. I'm conflicted. On one hand the washington post as a
> publication is old and might have a little bit of postive street cred under
> that proposed model, on the other hand- will amazon fact check submissions?
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[FRIAM] post web wonk educational oprotunaties?

[Gillian Densmore]

I'm coming to the end of my certificate at SFCC that theoreticly slaps a
sticker on me as somewhat able to be a web wonk-

I need a little bit of guidance for where next- I'm not clear at all what
educational chalenges would compliment that-
University of Washington has a distance learning program (for example),
wich might help, if they have some kind of job placement assitance program.

Does anyone else have experience in this area?

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[FRIAM] ideas for remote learning options?

[Gillian Densmore]

Hi all!
I love me some life hacking! By that I meen getting out of the house going
out and experiencing all that the world has to offer- for instance.
However I have this curiosity about long distance learning.
If I can qualify I'd like to look into WU , Highlands and or UNM (for
example)- I thought I'd start with asking FRIAM what peoples experience is
with remote learning if it's a option, and if anyone might be able to
recomend where to 'go from here' after i'm done with the webnerd
certificate at SFCC- (ie in addition to going for work).

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Re: [FRIAM] Firefox phone

[Gillian Densmore]

No 4g?


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:

> Now for sale..
>
> http://stores.ebay.com/**ztemobileus 
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Re: [FRIAM] Firefox phone

[Gillian Densmore]

How do we know it's not a hoax?


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

> No 4g?
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Marcus G. Daniels 
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>>
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[FRIAM] gmail forums exploded

[Gillian Densmore]

The new gmail in box, compose, and forcing hang outs on you has caused
lots of threads like
productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/yl_XPO5Hw6Y[726-750-false]

with wonderfully succinct feedback as:
It's junk,
It fucking sucks
It's horible horse shit-how do I change to classic.

And more

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Re: [FRIAM] gmail forums exploded

[Gillian Densmore]

You can also get back the classic/legacy gmail by using IE 8 or firefox 4 -
both of wich are slighly faster for general websurfing compared to the most
recent/modern versions.
That being said what else is out there for webmail?
Gmail has some relatively good street-cred.  Wich is hard to compete with
when saying to someone:  oh send me mail to my skydrive acount-for example.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy  wrote:

> **
> Thanks for the link
> I switched to an  IMAP client (T-Bird) 3 days ago when their latest
> nonsense started.
>
> Gillian Densmore wrote:
>
>  The new gmail in box, compose, and forcing hang outs on you has
> caused
> lots of threads like
> productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/yl_XPO5Hw6Y[726-750-false]<http://productforums.google.com/forum/#%21topic/gmail/yl_XPO5Hw6Y%5B726-750-false%5D>
>
> with wonderfully succinct feedback as:
> It's junk,
> It fucking sucks
> It's horible horse shit-how do I change to classic.
>
> And more
>
>
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[FRIAM] Firefox and Gmail

[Gillian Densmore]

The the lastest firefox that mozilla kindly downloaded installed for me
without forking asking leaks a shit-tone of memory to the point where after
having the browser open more than what seems to be a nanosecond it spends
it's entire time either as "not responsive" or refreshing a page it's
on-over and over and over again-"taskmanger" says at that point Firefox has
managed to eat all available memory!

-and as I said a while back the new gmail "compose" is #Fail.
The window is a bit to small-and no one knows what problem the overhaul of
gmail-google is hoping to solve-
I suspect #Google is hoping to boil itself down to the point of being
simple chat cleint all that 90s (like AOL instant Messenger or Jabber) for
example.

What's the compitition looking like for webmail? Anything that's taken as
seriusly as gmail?

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[FRIAM] #cloning #copying #realityhax #lifehax

[Gillian Densmore]

I seem to recall ages and ages ago at a coffehouse-closish to my house
getting in a chat with Howel(sp) about--science--I seem to recall him
walking and declaring to me and those at the same shiny table: Holy shit I
think we've found particles from the future, though the others on the team
are working on this problem-
There was was also a beefy dude with kind of redish short hair possibly a
leather jacket at the table as well-
The other guy there when I grumbled about costs of stuff going up 'n up:
Don't worry were "close" to being able to make clones of stuff, and that
were "close" to using nanites doing so-as well as perminantly fixing
medical problems-
It started off about neutrons and had a side article about arsholiry in
science--
Bringing me to my question(s):

Have we gotten "close" to cloning stuff? and what kind role would 'nanites'
have in making kick arse--car parts, or rumps for rump roasts? I thought it
was dificult to make super-small robots- much less show them a plate of
general-tsoas chicken and expect them clone them to sell at safeway.

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[FRIAM] Anyone have a alternative?

[Gillian Densmore]

I had DMAA/Geranium on hand for deeling with issues related to congestion
from caughs that's now all but impossible find now I think because the
FDA's backlash from people that abused the stuff,
Does anyone have experience with other kinds of  home remedy types of
things that can help clear out chests 'n lungs and or help get the ol'lungs
a bit more air?

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[FRIAM] electronic book question rescource question

[Gillian Densmore]

While enjoying my trip in Seattle one of the electronic  book apps I had-
tossed me a free book as trial. One of the adds the app loaded said- keep
an eye out we're converting our library to a 'enhanced multimedia
interactive' type of book.

How is that suposed to work? Any good places to try these out?

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Re: [FRIAM] electronic book question rescource question

[Gillian Densmore]

Wow the previusly fairly good wikipedia entery on ebooks is shite  someone
has goon through and deleted half the stuff there.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Barry MacKichan <
barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote:

> Apple iBooks are an example. How well it works depends on the author. One
> that takes good advantage of the platform is Paperless, by David Sparks.
>
> --Barry
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
> While enjoying my trip in Seattle one of the electronic  book apps I had-
> tossed me a free book as trial. One of the adds the app loaded said- keep
> an eye out we're converting our library to a 'enhanced multimedia
> interactive' type of book.
>
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[FRIAM] tired of #fail

[Gillian Densmore]

Somethings going wrong.
I've been thinking about this quite a bit:
Wtf happend to make tools I use on a day- to day basis suck?
Launch fire fox hit google have fire fox take forever to load pages, when
the damn things do load there full of  flash adds, or half the previusly
prety damn good hits has gone to shit
Want to find that cool ebook format you remember was on wiki: half the
pages are gone.
Want (software here) to not get feature creep-
Like- somewhere Adobe thinks not only do I get to only rent software but
there software has a identity chrisis: photoshop  thinks it should do a meh
job of tweaking  video rly? I thought  photoshop just ment to make a
certain other densmore look like he wone the nobel prize for something.
Want to find a good ol' games or cheesy movies? good luck!
 welcome to the no-net. This is like the internet- but DMCA or some lawyer
god or knows what says: oh no can watch a horrible goofy mpvie or BBC
streaming because of some restarted reason.
RLY?
What happnd to when these kinds of tools were useful? Who in there right
mind LIKES not being able to have computer tools- and weby-web be epic
fucking fail.

Wheres my technology, where's my tools that work, and are fun to use?



x3n0
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Re: [FRIAM] tired of #fail

[Gillian Densmore]

Hmm can it be 5u or 6u? At that rate we might need a D30 and a dungeon
master.



On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:25 PM, mar...@snoutfarm.com
wrote:

> "Wheres my technology, where's my tools that work, and are fun to use?"
>
> Software developers write software because they profit or because they want
> to advance the greater good.  In either case, it is not just for you.  If
> you want to see better software, grab a Linux distribution or a free editor
> & compiler toolchain and start hacking.
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: [FRIAM] tired of #fail

[Gillian Densmore]

If it's a proffit thing--then how on earth can 'firefox' get to be such a
unwieldy bloated behomoth- even after loosing 10% of it's installed base
 (if the wc3 stats are anything to go by)- as to labor of love? yeah I
guess some people might like looking at what seems to be the jiberish that
is Java or C++ .


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

> Hmm can it be 5u or 6u? At that rate we might need a D30 and a dungeon
> master.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:25 PM, mar...@snoutfarm.com <
> mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>
>> "Wheres my technology, where's my tools that work, and are fun to use?"
>>
>> Software developers write software because they profit or because they
>> want
>> to advance the greater good.  In either case, it is not just for you.  If
>> you want to see better software, grab a Linux distribution or a free
>> editor
>> & compiler toolchain and start hacking.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] tired of #fail

[Gillian Densmore]

Evidence of Firfox RAM problems?
I have right now 3 tabs open on version 22.0 that I rolled back to. It's
now taking up less Ram than- 24 or might be 26--ie the version the
auto-update installed.
This version is as far as windows task manager is concerned wants 5-10 megs
of ram. That's small compared to the 15megs of ram with a fresh start the
new version was asking for. I don't know where in the pipeline something is
causing that issue. The doodad that sends a crash report asked for my input
on happend I tride to susinctly explain the dang thing crashed while
pulling up netflix with  a scary sounding error.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:

> On 8/29/13 6:47 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>
>> If it's a proffit thing--then how on earth can 'firefox' get to be such a
>> unwieldy bloated behomoth- even after loosing 10% of it's installed base
>>  (if the wc3 stats are anything to go by)- as to labor of love?
>>
> Evidence?
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/**reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-**
> opera-next,3534-9.html<http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-opera-next,3534-9.html>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

[Gillian Densmore]

Ah the joys a gnutella- not only does it taste good on toste it also makes
a badass communication protocol--though if Memory serves you'd need a Fast
Tracking network "try out"  Music-
Gests aside it's my understanding that Skype used Kazza's protocoll, (as
compared a amature-call) this permitted colledge students to make cheap (or
free calls)  damn neer anyware (while 'trying out') music and software--

So nick the Executive summery here is this:
-The phone companies suck
-Skype is fun and cool, but might eat bandwidth


How is skype working for people?


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

> Hi, everybody, 
>
> ** **
>
> I have a Verizon jet pack for my internet here in Massachusetts and every
> once in a while huge charges have appeared on my usage, apparent downloads
> of a gigabyte scale of magnitude.  I complained to Verizon and they did an
> analysis of my record and tell me that these are VOIP usages.  Their
> suspicion is that some teenager in my house is using the box to make phone
> calls over skype.   But there is no teenager in my house and no other house
> within an eighth of a mile.  Is it possible that some Trojan is using skype
> to communicate.  Why?  What would be the benefit to the hacker.  Using my
> computer for what?  In any case, I have murdered skype.  Is there any other
> abuse of the voip protocol that could be going on in my computer?  Can I
> disable voip altogether on my machine?   My service costs ten dollars a
> gig, so this is not a small matter for me.  Anybody have any thoughts?  **
> **
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Government Shutdown

[Gillian Densmore]

I am amused:
Sith work together better. My nephiews get along better. But a room a grown
adults
Hmmm

Where's Darth Sidius and or Emperor palpatine when you need them?


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Re: [FRIAM] Government Shutdown

[Gillian Densmore]

I still blame the potential zombie apocalypse and the presence of Sith on
this one :P

(For those that don't know Sith are the zelouse force users in the Star
Wars universe, with it being common to come up with over the top plots)


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> This was fun:
> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/09/meadows-boehner-defund-obamacare-suicide-caucus-geography.html
>
> Where the suicide caucus lives, republican congressmen and mitt romney won
> last fall with double digit margins, the population is > 80% white, and
> there's not a chance in hell of those gerrymandered districts going any
> other way for quite a while.  They aren't the majority of the GOP, but
> they're essential to maintaining the GOP majority in congress, so they, 79
> white men and 1 white woman, blackmail the rest of the GOP, the GOP
> blackmails the rest of the government, and Glen gets to eat his
> non-refundable travel expenses.  So it goes.
>
> I actually don't think that Steve Pearce's district in southern new mexico
> is really that white, but they do have a lot of republican latinos down
> that way.
>
> This
> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/how-did-conservatives-get-this-radical/
>  was
> also interesting,
>
> James Sidanius, a professor of psychology at Harvard, working from a
> liberal perspective, uses a 
> measure
>  he
> calls “Social Dominance Orientation” to 
> describe
>  “the
> extent to which one desires that one’s in-group dominate and be superior to
> out-groups.”
>
>
> -- rec --
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Jochen Fromm  wrote:
>
>> NIH and NASA are shut down, while NSA is up. Science is the first victim.
>>
>> -J.
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Re: [FRIAM] Government Shutdown

[Gillian Densmore]

Hmm a pragmatic question:
If the people that don't want resolution are on strike how do we lobby
obama just to fire them, and then hire new workers?
He might have to use a executive order.
Might also be a good time to lobby for just a whole other system, as the
one we have now doesn't seem to work well.
Or do we say screw it and beg canada and the EU to purchase the US?


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM, glen  wrote:

> Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 10/01/2013 11:55 AM:
>
>  And if they do harm to the full faith and credit of the country, I hope
>> the White House will involve some `creative' Washington lawyers to deal
>> with them.
>>
>
> Yep.  That is the job of the executive.  I don't hope for it, I expect it.
>  What I _hope_ for is that the republicans can bring a little order to
> their own house.  The only thing worse than having a Moron wing of that
> party would be the lack of any 2nd party at all.  Yog knows the
> Libertarians and the Greens can't play the role.
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Re: [FRIAM] Government Shutdown

[Gillian Densmore]

Unless I responded to the wrong thread- Or used a poor anology-
It's my understanding that because some people don't want nationalised
health care and there was budget coming due they decided to not work and
shutdown the government.
So my question is: as such can Obama not replace the people that forced the
closure?


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:02 PM, glen  wrote:

> Gillian Densmore wrote at 10/01/2013 01:15 PM:
>
>  If the people that don't want resolution are on strike how do we lobby
>> obama just to fire them, and then hire new workers?
>>
>
> I don't really understand the question.  We're talking about indictments
> (or more subtle methods) against those (e.g. Ted Cruz) who damage our
> national security and/or our ability to meet our fiduciary
> responsibilities.  There's no firing, hiring, or striking involved.
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[FRIAM] arg! the attack of the robo-diallers

[Gillian Densmore]

I'm hopping someone has some ideas of how to solve a conundrum. At
somepoint this week the universe has decided what I clearly neaded were
robodialers. The seem to have a infinite number of 1800 numbers to call
from. The vary from: saying in a monotone robotic voice: this is a very
important call about that evil obmacare To we at (INSERT FANCY CHARITY NAME
HERE) insist on reminding you about (INSERT PROBLEM HERE).  I don't think
obama care is evil. I want it to have a chance.

No matter how many times I've tride to block out those 1800 dialers.  There
clever. And anoying system worms around it. I'll caveat: My phone seems to
have a basic way to manually not ring for specific telephone numbers.

I don't understand the mentality. I'm sure there's a good psychology paper
being written about it. My immediate problem is what the smart people on
the FRIAM list suggest to address the issue of these rude 1800 dialing
thingys.

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[FRIAM] Time needs some sanity!

[Gillian Densmore]

for your consumption:

http://nation.time.com/2013/11/01/daylight-savings-time-time-explains/


or time article on day light
savings


and the nice moveon.org link get fid of this f'n time
change!

Personally: I vote for a time equivalent of the metric system. Considering
moving from days of the week labeled as monday-thursday and just as
numbers, same for months of the year.

I also vote for a Zombie Apocalypse.

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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Forum hacked

[Gillian Densmore]

Password cracking?  Hmm- as to how? I can add a little insight into this
one. Password cracking is just one tool. So is knowing week points of the
audiance in the forums,fake, proxy, and redirecting websites just as a few.
This last summer: Live Networks (XBOX live, SkyDrive etc), PSN (the Play
Station Network) Blizzard.com, Battle.net(owned and run blizzard), as well
as G+, All had  Individually, 50K + in SSN, Credit Card Info- three digit
security- among the tropies, its my understanding source code for
Battle.Net, a conservitve net billion of games between Sony, Blizzard, and
Microsft were all stolen in a matter of seconds:

Acording to the group it self (Anonymous) How? Prep, Patiance, fake info,
and  eye for detail when it came to weeknes not in the passwords when
entered where ever there used but in a lots and lots of tools from fake
support pages. Waching how people ask support questions.

All that to say: To the degree technology can make a fancy  key. Thicker
doors, and deeper bunkers. All that will not help as long as there are Sith
out there.


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Parks, Raymond  wrote:

> The addition of a salt to a password makes rainbow tables much less
> effective because it makes the table space larger, even trading off chain
> length for convergence.  However, rainbow tables are no longer the thing -
> with multi-GPU setups, password crackers just brute force passwords.
>  Basically, the sequence is:
>
> 1. Using a large (20 million word) multiple language (but standard ASCII)
> dictionary derived from text sources across the WWW, hash the words in that
> dictionary with variants (leet-speak, other substitutions, plurals, added
> numbers, 8 for "ate", et cetera), and compare the outputs to the captured
> password file.  Salt is basically a variant that can be accounted for -
> extra random characters.
>
> 2.  If some passwords are of the type you dislike, then those can be
> brute-forced almost as fast as rainbow tables can be calculated.  Salt is
> irrelevant in this process, other than making the effective number of bytes
> longer.
>
> In the Ars articles, Step 1 seems to get as much as 90% of self-chosen
> passwords in a matter of hours.  The practitioners in the Ars articles
> don't go on to Step 2, but I would expect that to take less than a week.
>  If the hash algorithm is captured along with the passwords, then the
> cracker has the advantage of knowing whether the web-site uses salt.
>  Operating systems, of course, are studied off-line to determine the
> algorithm and use of salt.
>
> Ray Parks
> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Program Manager
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> JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:48 AM, cody dooderson wrote:
>
> I find passwords really hard to remember. Especially those sites that
> require numbers, symbols,uppercase, and lower case characters. I personally
> would rather use a 20 character all lowercase 
> passwordthan an 8 
> character mixed symbol password. As a result keep a document, in
> the cloud, with all of my passwords stored in plain text. Many of these
> passwords I could care less if someone cracked.
> Also, I was under the impression that salting prevents the use of rainbow
> tables .
>
> Cody Smith
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Parks, Raymond wrote:
>
>> WRT password cracking - Dan Goodin has a good series of articles on
>> password cracking at Ars Technica.
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/how-i-became-a-password-cracker/
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/how-crackers-make-minced-meat-out-of-your-passwords/
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/how-the-bible-and-youtube-are-fueling-the-next-frontier-of-password-cracking/
>>
>> TL;DR - Current GPU-based password cracking using 20-million word
>> dictionaries make truly random passwords below 14 characters and nearl all
>> pass-phrases susceptible to cracking in a relatively short time.
>>
>> On a related subject, roughly 75% of websites store passwords as nothing
>> more complicated than simple, unsalted MD5 hashes.  This is almost as easy
>> to break as as NTLM.
>>
>> Salt makes the initial crack more difficult, but if the same salt is used
>> for all hashes, then subsequent cracks ignore it.
>>
>> WRT the use of PII - it's sold on various markets, correlated in a "big
>> data" manner with other exposures, and, if enough information is available
>> and the person's credit score is high enough, is used for credit attacks.
>>  In some cases, if banking information is correlated, the collection is
>> used for banking attacks.  If there is poor correlation but an email or
>> FQDN is in the information, then the data may be used as a target list.
>>
>> Ray Parks
>> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Progr

Re: [FRIAM] Oculus Rift & castAR

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings:
Hmm. Interesting. I know at one point the OculusRift was going for some
kickstarter funding. Some of those were game publishers for online gaming.
Names that surfaced included ID Software, Activison, and Sony. I wouldn't
be to suprised if one of the things they're devs could help lower
development cost. Real time response being a big thing for game publishers
I wouldn't be suprised if they could bring that to the table as well.
Android though isn't known for being consistant with realtime response.
Can google get android right on the phone? Dodgy at that.
This makes me skeptical that android would pan out well for the Rift stuff.

Steve you may know the name, and have some insight. At a some dev
confrence,  A MS Dev had said that it's on the table for the Kinect to have
some sort of imersive environment doodad- that didn't require having a tv
screen on your face. I bring it up because that kind of thing may have more
longevity in terms of extended use. I'd love to here your insight and
experience with either one.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  Does anyone in this group (including remote/non-SFe folks) own or have
> had some direct experience with the Oculus Rift pre-consumer models?
>
> Matt and Janire (last year's Artists in Residence at SFx) have one now (in
> the UK) and I've a collaborator using one for viewing OmniStereo still
> images captured by the CaveCAM.
>
> My experience with (even professional grade) HMDs has always been
> disappointing, especially because of tracking lag/error.
>
> It looks 
> likethe
>  consumer model may be a System On a Chip (sorry Owen, not in a browser)
> running Android, available mid 2014.   Not clear how that plays *with* a
> computer, but is conceivable that the Android SoC has a "passthrough mode"
> that just displays whatever is coming in on it's video interface.
>
> I almost pulled the trigger this week and ordered a Dev Kit but there is
> indication that the next hardware rev will have improved tracking.
>
>   And *then* I discovered there is a new player on the 
> (KickStarter)
> block...   This Technical Illusions 
> castARsystem is a 
> glasses-mounted pair of pico-projectors that project onto a
> retroreflective screen surface.  It is sortof a proto-AnySurface(tm)
> system.  A head mounted projector (pair) with tracking, if you will.  A
> multi-view, shared space.  And *bonus*, a clip-on mini-screen turns these
> into an HMD very much like the Oculus Rift.
>
> Their KickStarter video has a lot of obfuscating hype (live testimonials
> of people who have just seen it for the first time) but it looks like a
> very promising Alpha example of, as I said, AnySurface(tm) experience.
>
> - Steve
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[FRIAM] Guidance could help.

[Gillian Densmore]

Another day as my world oozes along.
I'll make this  succinct for the benefit of the Technomancers on both
lists.

Greetings fellow Technomancers:
Where and or how does one go about getting some notion of how realistic a
career goal is these days?

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[FRIAM] The Doctor has earned the achievement: 50th anniversary

[Gillian Densmore]

http://worldofwarcraft.mmocluster.com/img_achievements/1235124_21c1336e17bbd09f58523b2a84c358a3.jpg

The Doctor is 
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[FRIAM] Vector programs? and the better os

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings fellow technomancers,
Yes illustrator may have a place in vector graphics. I should like to
define 'Vector Graphics': as graphics tool set that's bad ass enough for
text to be extremly smooth and crisp from as small as a postal stamp to as
big as a truck.
Personally my quip with illustrator is it's over the top- for somestuff.
(like sending certain younglings a reminder note).
Has anyone used the others? Xara has claims about being lite on it's feet.
Corell has roots in drawing.

For those of you into making a better OS.
I just ask that what ever else you come up as a feature for it. That a
feature is not consuming insane amounts of ram, or HD space.

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[FRIAM] Rly

[Gillian Densmore]

Winter is here. Snow is as well. Nothing new. Why is it then santa fes
pipelines dont salt the roads. Keep heat and power going? Today ive had the
power crash at least 5 times. This does nothing but harm to my computer. It
fs up work im doing.
Is there a doodad l can get to elimiminate those issues?

Asking here since friamers probably know more about options than I do.

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Re: [FRIAM] Rly

[Gillian Densmore]

Solar would be nice (as a option) I doubt the landlords would complain. The
Histarical society on the other hand.. and if they existed a matter/anti
matter generator.



On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

> Or, there in the land of eternal sunshine, there is nearly always solar
> (daylight hours of course).
>
> On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:48 PM, glen e. p. ropella 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > A (small) generator is useful, too.
> >
> >   http://powerequipment.honda.com/generators/models/eu2000i
> >
> > When your UPS beeps, hop over and start the generator.
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Re: [FRIAM] BitCoin

[Gillian Densmore]

Quick pragmatic question---what companies actually accept this bit coin
stuff?  That being said: I haven't read the thread, I've seen bit coin
surface a few times though. The concept intrigues me.


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:

>
> On 11/29/2013 01:29 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
>
> BitCoin miners are, by definition, doing useful work to maintain the
> integrity of the whole system.
>
>
> And sometimes they don't even know it!
>
>
> http://blog.malwarebytes.org/fraud-scam/2013/11/potentially-unwanted-miners-toolbar-peddlers-use-your-system-to-make-btc/
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Re: [FRIAM] Kinect 2.0 Depth Camera?

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings fellow technomancers:
Might I ask what kinds of interest you have with it?
==
It's a strangely interesting critter, it's on my long list of things
that I'd like to improve my video game habit.  There was a rumor MS's wants
to do away with gamerthumb. The gamer and treckie in me stokes on the
potential it has. (Looking at you Holodecks) (Especially if it involves
bad-ass women :P ). I thought I read the XBox One was to include stuff
like: Cross-Fire configured graphic cards, 8-Asyncrynous cores of some
elk-- in short the hardware would have alot more horse power than the 360
(Gamers just all it the XBox)
As both a game. And a  hobiest game developer I'd love to know more about
what all it can do.


===
As a side note: yes Densmore the older razes me about how badly coded my
first attempt at a simple Java game was.
(I had bitten off WAY more than I could chew as a project)

=


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  Did anyone here sign up for the Windows Developer Program for the Kinect
> 2.0?Or even purchased an XBox One  with Kinect 2.0?
>
> A great description of how the time-of-flight system works:
>
>
> http://gamasutra.com/blogs/DanielLau/20131127/205820/The_Science_Behind_Kinects_or_Kinect_10_versus_20.php
>
>
> And the general specs:
>
> http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-next-generation-kinect-sensor/
>
>  including a 70x60 FOV, 16bit YUV422 1080p30 color, 512x424 13bit depth
> and 512x424 11 bit IR and a 60ms latency.
>
> - Steve
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[FRIAM] droid crashing

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings fellow Technomancers,
both this week, and lastweek, My phone crashed, as in OLD Winders BSOD,
Coredump, segmentation faulted kind of crash. Both times I was using my
bluetooth. First-time was when I was in the gym using google-play to stream
music. It crashed while trying to let me answer the call. Second time was
similer only this time I had googlemaps up. The system bombed when trying
to turn on wifi. Has anyone had this and or something similer happen? Is
there a hidden setting someplace to tell it not turn on wifi unless I
decide to?

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Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option

[Gillian Densmore]

Mr. Thompson,
New-Clear options? In what context?

Logic trap?
The logic trap that's popular in colleges goes about like: Gill is a human
able obliterate concrete and kick ass in MMA, therefore all humans can kick
ass in MMA and make short work of concrete.

=





On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Nick Thompson
wrote:

> Thisreminded
>  of our discussion about a year ago concerning the so-called
> “fallacy of induction”.  Do any of you know about grue and green.  Grue is
> a property of grass that it is green, just until you stop looking at it, at
> which point it turns blue.  The point is that every scrupulous observation
> of grass confirming that it is still green, is equally a confirmation that
> it is also grue.  “Absurd!”, you say, but only if you take for granted that
> the world is not the sort of place that changes on a dime.  And where else
> could you have learned that save by induction.
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/12/04/why-i-was-wrong-about-the-nuclear-option/
>
> Nick
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Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option

[Gillian Densmore]

Mixed Martial Arts.

and your welcome nick :P


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

> Mr. Densmore,
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> Not sure why I have been elevated to “Mr. Thompson”.  Makes me nervous.
> The only people who call me Mr. anymore are nurses who are preparing me for
> colonscopies.
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> Your question seems a fair one, and I would like to answer it, but I don’t
> know what MMA means.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
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> Clark University
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Gillian
> Densmore
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 12:56 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option
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> Mr. Thompson,
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> New-Clear options? In what context?
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> Logic trap?
> The logic trap that's popular in colleges goes about like: Gill is a human
> able obliterate concrete and kick ass in MMA, therefore all humans can kick
> ass in MMA and make short work of concrete.
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> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Nick Thompson 
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> This<http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/12/04/why-i-was-wrong-about-the-nuclear-option/>reminded
>  of our discussion about a year ago concerning the so-called
> “fallacy of induction”.  Do any of you know about grue and green.  Grue is
> a property of grass that it is green, just until you stop looking at it, at
> which point it turns blue.  The point is that every scrupulous observation
> of grass confirming that it is still green, is equally a confirmation that
> it is also grue.  “Absurd!”, you say, but only if you take for granted that
> the world is not the sort of place that changes on a dime.  And where else
> could you have learned that save by induction.
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/12/04/why-i-was-wrong-about-the-nuclear-option/
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> Nick
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[FRIAM] linux and winderz

[Gillian Densmore]

Greetings fellow technomancers,

   I don't know if it's a trojan, spyware, worm or other. As per normal
with windows some VEQ thought it may be funny to attempt to infect a
picture of Warf the famous klingon(ST:TNG).
Nothing new for the..unique. elk..of vandles in winderz land:
Thus leading to several questions:
What anti-virus and firewall(s?) actually work for windows?
Would it be worth back up my all my stuff- to a external drive somehow to
either:
Clean install the entire system (UGH!) and or:
Move on to Linux
That part wouldn't happen untill after i'm done with this semester.
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What External HDs are badass fast, can act like time machine?
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With linux I have lots of questions from more experience users:
What's the Linux landscape looklike these days? The last time I LOVED linux
was running arch, around kernel version 2.5 - with a computer my brother
kindly let me borrow. I was on KDE 3 something. Flash was a tossup.
Mplayer was doing it's best to cover sound on web-pages.

However these days I use  quite a bit of illustrator  photoshop.
And to get something vaguely resembling some downtime and a low-grade
social life I play world of warcraft, and Star Drek Online.
 It's my understanding to use those it's best to set up vmware. I don't
know if that's still the case.

I know the linux landscape has change alot since kernel 2.5 and KDE 3.
Since Ubuntu/Kubuntu are seen with gamers as fun- in that they have not
real virii to deel with, and NVidia officially, actively and proudly
supports linux.

I'd love to get some input.

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